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Topfi 3 hours ago

I still am struggling to understand why they informed the government about something that is known to be an issue in every LLM. There is no LLM that cannot be jailbroken, so unless this means that we have reached the absolute maximum publicly accessible US made LLMs are allowed to operate at with GPT 5.5, this is not grounded in any sane regulation attempt.

Does anyone know what limits Fable 5 has overstepped in the eyes of the government? Parameter count? Certain benchmark results? Training computer?

Cause if it’s just the ability to assist with cyberattacks and being jailbreakable, there is no model previously released that isn’t equally guilty.

Remember that for GPT 5.5 and 5.4, OpenAI also restricted the cybersecurity focused use under designated models, otherwise rerouting to 5.3-codex like Fable did with Opus 4.8. And both OpenAI models can also be jailbroken all the same.

Basically, what was the reason to tell the government now and not with Opus 4.5 or GPT 5.4? sama has been doing the rounds with apocalyptic predictions…

nowittyusername a few seconds ago | parent | next [-]

The simple answer is that Trump has a stick up his ass against Anthropic and is also fond of stock market manipulation. No need to get too deep when it comes to dealing with that orange shmuck.

lebovic 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Claims of retribution aside, one strawman is that Mythos is likely the most capable model that's usable by folks like the NSA [1], and decision-makers across the USG and industry partners have seen a stream of reports of Mythos successfully finding serious vulnerabilities over the past couple months due to Glasswing.

So even if GPT 5.5 is just as capable in these scenarios (which, imo, it largely is), it is not known by the government apparatus as having the same capabilities.

Personally, I think we crossed the threshold of capabilities with Opus 4.6 [2], which translated to an even more capable open-weight GLM 5.1 (which it is rumored to have distilled Opus 4.6) [3][4]. But the USG and its partners aren't fully rational actors with perfect data, so it's possible they're only viscerally aware of these capabilities in the context of Mythos.

[1]: https://www.reuters.com/business/us-security-agency-is-using...

[2]: Opus 4.6 was used for https://www.noahlebovic.com/testing-an-autonomous-hacker/

[3]: See GLM 5.1 scoring in https://www.cybergym.io/cybergym/

[4]: https://dualuse.dev/posts/chinese-models-are-sometimes-bette...

Topfi 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I doubt that the capabilities of GPT-5.5-cyber aren’t known by the US government considering OpenAI is their primary LLM partner after Anthropic had concerns about using models for autonomous weaponry and mass surveillance of US citizens. If anything, they should have more experience in GPT-5.5s full feature set due to longer access and may even already have GPT-5.6 access.

bobthepanda an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Hanlon's razor. Are the people with the right access talking to the right people? Wouldn't be the first time for miscommunication in the executive branch.

Topfi 42 minutes ago | parent [-]

Fair point, not unlikely, though my personal assumption is that, like with Nvidia export controls, there will be a sudden reversal with no tangible, actual, technically based reason the second a certain person has their ring kissed...

bobthepanda 11 minutes ago | parent [-]

Why not both? The current executive has missed the mark on appointments pretty badly a number of times due to the prizing of loyalty over competency.

lebovic 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They made a deal for access, but I'm unsure if it's usable, scaled, and has vulnerabilities attributed to it at this point. But I have no inside information here, so I could be wrong.

throwaway85825 2 hours ago | parent [-]

If it had vulnerabilities the marketing copy would already be written and published.

Jcampuzano2 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The reason is pretty obvious. Anthropic tried to play hardball with the government and now they are under their thumb for scrutiny of any and every little thing they do.

That's what this admin is known for. If you do even what a normal person would think is sane but they don't like it, well now they need to make you bow down and break you so you "learn your lesson".

It doesn't help that they themselves marketed this model as being especially dangerous in the publics hands. If this was just another model drop and none of the fear mongering I don't doubt this probably wouldn't have had any issues.

econ 32 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

It is important to note this formula doesn't require understanding any subject.

People keep seeking logic where there is non. We have an internet full of theories assuming there is more to it.

trhway an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>The reason is pretty obvious. Anthropic tried to play hardball with the government

that is one.

Another is who is going into the first IPO. Troubles for Anthropic IPO would channel all those money into OpenAI's one. Check financial interests of this admin. Hint - they aren't with Anthropic.

Third - most of the export and access controlled tech of the past wasn't productivity multiplier, nor human replacement. AI is a different case - the more capable AI the more its general economic benefit. Export and access control of AI allows you to more and more control the whole domestic and large part of global economy, not just military capabilities like in the past.

Political - coming into elections with "this evil new tech was coming after your jobs, yet we reigned it in and protected your jobs". After all such approach has been for decades working great when it comes to coalminers.

Note that specific bug-finding capabilities of a specific model is a red herring here, and other leading models are almost there, and definitely will be there in a month.

It is all about revenge, money and power.

Telemakhos 7 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Alternatively, this is the best advertising for which Anthropic could hope: "Our product, and nobody else's, is so good that the government declared us a threat to national security." If they bring it back for US-nationals only, maybe demanding ID for users, people will think it's the bees knees: "so dangerous that non-Americans can't have access" probably sounds like a ringing endorsement to some C-level decision makers.

Crowdstrike took down airports in July 2024, and its stock was back up by October; it's double the price now. Everyone saw how systemically important it was and how it took down entire industries, and they asked why they weren't using it themselves if it's so important. See also the 2025 cloud outages.

enraged_camel 39 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

>> Another is who is going into the first IPO. Troubles for Anthropic IPO would channel all those money into OpenAI's one. Check financial interests of this admin. Hint - they aren't with Anthropic.

Yep. Kushner owns private shares of OpenAI.

drivingmenuts an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> The reason is pretty obvious

I would argue the simple reason is that Amazon wanted to fsck Anthropic to set them back, despite whatever partnership they may claim. The competition at that level is intense and these guys do not play by the same rules that regular people do. They can't flat out murder each other (yet) so they find other ways to do it.

senderista an hour ago | parent [-]

Why? Amazon makes tons of money serving Anthropic models through Bedrock and they seem to have basically given up on their own frontier models.

nxm an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Previous administration was same way… intentionally not including Tesla in an EV summit

sailingparrot an hour ago | parent | next [-]

This is lacking any nuance. The CEO not being invited to a meaningless ceremony vs being designated a supply chain risk by the DoD and being forced to shut down your product. Use judgment.

smallmancontrov an hour ago | parent [-]

It's astonishing how that summit sparkles the Tesla sowflakes. We gave them tens of billions of dollars in subsidies and a 100% tariff on the Chinese competition! Huge, substantive policy assistance! But Biden wanted to pal around with some union supporters and that's supposed to be some horrible slight? Please.

Elon didn't drop millions on the Trump campaign and throw a double Sieg Heil at the 2025 US presidential inauguration because Biden refused a photo-op. He did those things because he believes in them, because he believes the things he says on twitter. The EV summit thing is the least believable "you made me do it" excuse I've ever seen.

iknowstuff an hour ago | parent [-]

You'll notice the tariffs were helping legacy auto more than Tesla

smallmancontrov an hour ago | parent [-]

When somebody helps you, the appropriate response is "thank you," not "how dare you also help that other person who needed it more, now I'm becoming a nazi and it's your fault."

megabless123 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> intentionally not including Tesla in an EV summit

this comparison is orders of magnitude different

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vrganj 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Its not Fable 5 that overstepped in the eyes of the US government.

It's Anthropic.

This is transparent revenge for them daring to try and push back a little on enabling war crimes.

noelsusman an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Anthropic is perfectly fine with the US government using Claude to commit war crimes. The US military has done hundreds of extra-judicial killings in the waters around South America over the last year and Anthropic hasn't had anything to say about that.

felixgallo an hour ago | parent [-]

Use nuance and judgement, friend. Anthropic notably pushed back on completely autonomous no-human-in-the-loop drone killings and mass surveillance of the US population, where others like OpenAI scrambled to agree. Anthropic isn't perfect but that doesn't make them equally bad.

Cider9986 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>This is transparent revenge for them daring to try and push back a little on enabling war crimes.

Anthropic wasn't pushing back on enabling war crimes. They said they didn't want the models to work with autonomous weapons because the the models weren't good enough.

dandellion 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Whether you or me or Anthropic think it was pushing back or not is besides the point.

Cider9986 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I can agree on revenge, but it's important to not paint it as a good vs evil when it isn't.

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Art9681 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's the AWS CEO being a little snitch to gain favor from the Government. That is what this is about.

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skybrian 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why not both?

TiredOfLife 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Antropic models are the ones that designated that school as valid target

thrill 25 minutes ago | parent [-]

People designated that school as a valid target - using fancy calculators does not remove that the pass/fail rests with people. AI models have no agency. Even if they are given autonomy - it is given.

logicchains 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

>This is transparent revenge for them daring to try and push back a little on enabling war crimes.

Don't be so pessimistic, maybe they're just trying to give their buddy Musk and XAi a chance to catch up.

Topfi 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Anthropic is one of the two consistent revenue sources for XAI via their colossus deal. I have been critical of this man longer than most, but I don’t see him hurting his own bottom line.

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giancarlostoro 42 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Reminds me of people freaking out about the Grok Bikini thing, but GPT and Googles image model they all do the same behavior. Clearly biased against Elon Musk despite it being a problem for every single image model out there.