| ▲ | GabrielBianconi 2 hours ago |
| I'm the co-founder and CEO of TensorZero. We started the company two and a half years ago, and raised $7.3m in 2024 (announced only almost a year later). We've spent less than half of this amount. Earlier this week we came to the difficult decision to wind down the project. The open-source repository remains available on GitHub (Apache 2.0) but won't be actively maintained by the team moving forward. |
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| ▲ | bel8 23 minutes ago | parent | next [-] |
| Hi! First of all, congrats on getting much further than any of us will ever be able to dream. Having a well funded startup is no small feat. Now one question that you probably get a lot and I must ask: why not pivot? |
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| ▲ | faeyanpiraat 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Are there any lessons around the why which may be publicly shared ? |
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| ▲ | GabrielBianconi an hour ago | parent [-] | | There are many factors at play here but if I had to pick one... an open-source company has to find product market fit twice: first for the OSS project and again for a commercial product. The AI market moves very quickly so it's easy to take a step in the wrong direction and fall behind. I might publish a long-form reflection when the dust settles. | | |
| ▲ | gavinray an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | It might come off as trite, but I genuinely am sorry that things didn't pan out for you Very early in my career I used to believe that I or anyone else could be a CEO. It wasn't until working with tiny teams where the CEO/founders devoted everything in their life to the business -- often at the expense of hobbies, romantic relationships, and any shred of free time -- that I realized true CEOs are a rare breed. When are you ask things like "what happens if the product fails?" the answer would always be "It won't." They both relentlessly believe in, and put every ounce of energy toward, their vision because anything less would not suffice Again as trite as it sounds, I empathize with these people in that to them losing their vision felt like losing something dearest to them | |
| ▲ | cbsmith 22 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Are there other OSS LLMOps projects that have overtaken you? I couldn't think of one. |
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| ▲ | cluckindan 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| What did you spend the money on? The other half goes where? |
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| ▲ | GabrielBianconi 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Mostly salaries to support a small team. We are returning the remaining capital to investors. | | |
| ▲ | herodoturtle an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Kudos to you and your team for not burning through the rest. Hope you have better luck with your next project. | | | |
| ▲ | maxnevermind an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I thought usually founders try to pivot till they run out of money. I wonder if that is good or bad for a serial entrepreneurs if they decide to shut it down instead of pivoting? | |
| ▲ | Barbing an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | I’ve never heard of this before. Anyone know if it’s uncommon? Familiar with creditors getting divvied in bankruptcies, but not refunds to investors… oh it’s because there’s never any money left when things wind down. (We hear of retail stores where employees discover closures posted on shop doors when reporting to work.) | | |
| ▲ | Schnitz an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | This is super common with startups and is usually called an orderly shutdown. You don’t want to wait until you are insolvent, but stop when there is enough money left to pay all outstanding liabilities as well as the people that will shut down the business entity, do a final tax return and so on. Then whatever is left eventually gets paid back to investors, who usually have a liquidation preference requiring this as well. The alternative, running truly out of money, no one shutting down anything, a ghost entity that continues to accumulate taxes and penalties, creditors chasing whoever they can get a hold of, is much worse. Just because everyone quits doesn’t mean the entity ceases to exist. | | |
| ▲ | killingtime74 43 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Worse and also most likely illegal too (sometimes jail or ban on running companies). Depends on where you do it. |
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| ▲ | GabrielBianconi an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's pretty common. If a startup winds down before it runs out of money, it typically returns whatever is left to the investors. We didn't have any debt. | |
| ▲ | hn_throwaway_99 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It actually happens a lot. Sometimes founders may pivot when the original thesis isn't working out, but a lot of times the prudent thing to do is to just say that it didn't work out and return investors' money. Honestly, I was close to flagging this story because the title is deliberately manipulative - it makes it sound like the founder did a rug pull. But I was really glad to see the founder come in to these comments and just say we tried, but the market shifted under us. Happens all the time. | | |
| ▲ | GabrielBianconi an hour ago | parent [-] | | Thanks, that's exactly what happened. The title is misleading unfortunately but that's how social media goes... |
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| ▲ | QuantumNomad_ an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | When I was in university I unsuccessfully attempted to start a company with two other students. We had a small amount of capital from a single investor. We did not pay ourself any salary. We had spent money on incorporating the company and buying a couple of iPads, and not yet spent money on marketing etc. When after a few months we accepted that it wasn’t going to work, our investor got basically all his money back. It was pocket change amounts compared to the sums of money that they deal with in Silicon Valley. But the point is the same anyway, the investor got back basically everything. | |
| ▲ | mikeocool an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | It’s not atypical when a startup figures out things aren’t going to work while there’s still money in the bank. Early stage startups tend not to have a lot debt to pay off, because there aren’t many places willing to offer them much credit. |
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| ▲ | ianm218 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Is there anything your willing to share on what went into the decision/ what you learned about trying to build this kind of product? |
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| ▲ | devops000 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
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| ▲ | bicx an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | The story of literally 95% of tech startups | |
| ▲ | GabrielBianconi 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Turns out I was wrong :) | | | |
| ▲ | debarshri 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Things change, situation change. Life is not constant. In business, it is even more Tumultuous. I would applaud that the fact that found took bold decision to think out of the box and take action towards it. | |
| ▲ | satvikpendem an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | LinkedIn is the worst platform to get accurate news as everyone is only incentivized to hype themselves up. Lots of examples abound in r/LinkedInLunatics |
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