| ▲ | hbn 2 hours ago |
| Every once in a while I'll try to watch something through the Intended Method™ and it always proves itself to be a worse experience. Most recent example - I was watching Malcolm in the Middle on Disney+ with my girlfriend, and we found that there are entire audio tracks missing in multiple episodes. Usually some kind of ADR, like someone talking off camera. There's an episode where Reese rents an apartment and there's a recurring bit of him talking to his depressed neighbour through the wall. But you'd have no idea because they somehow completely deleted the neighbour's dialogue from the audio, so it's just Reese having a one-sided conversation with a wall. We saw multiple episodes where something like this happened, and when I looked online there were reports of it dating back years. Never had an issue like that with torrenting because the people providing it care about the quality, metadata, etc. No one providing official routes to this media seems to care. You have AI-upscaled "4k" movies where the actors don't even look like themselves and there are hallucinated artifacts and things that aren't there. Images cropped to widescreen, like the infamous Duff Beer joke being out of frame in The Simpsons. TV series with edits or entire episodes removed because they were deemed too offensive. Movies and shows randomly appearing and disappearing so you have to endlessly manage subscriptions and switch between different apps with better or worse players just to watch a single series. Just a nightmare. |
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| ▲ | jjulius 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Not to go off on a complete tangent, but... >... like the infamous Duff Beer joke being out of frame in The Simpsons. My collection of The Simpsons, seasons 1-13, are all TV rips from waaaaayyyyy back in the 00's. Sure, it's not super high-quality, but at least they don't look like the ugly remasters (on some of the ones I've tried watching on Disney+, they look like someone's drawn over the old cells), the aspect ratio is the original so nothing's missing and, as a personal bonus, they've got the old Q13 logo in the bottom (I grew up in western WA). They still look great on my newer TV. Edit: Oh, and the Michael Jackson episode never suddenly disappeared from my library. |
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| ▲ | Waterluvian 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | To me it is the difference between art and product. A show like The Simpsons is both. The viewers care about the art, and we tolerate the product to get it. The creators are creating art, compromising with the corporation and broadcaster to make it enough of a product. But the corp/broadcaster only care about the product. The art is the chocolate around the advertising pill. So when the product-minded people control preservation and resharing of the product, the art always gets compromised. Jokes are clipped. Audio is broken. Episodes are pulled. For all the wrong reasons. | | |
| ▲ | toyg an hour ago | parent [-] | | The terminology is art vs content. Anybody talking about "content", by definition, do not actually care about what that content is, just that it is contained into something they charge for. | | |
| ▲ | Waterluvian 25 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | No I don’t think that’s what I’m going for. To me content often implies a kind of volume of work. Always be posting. Don’t miss a few days or your viewers go elsewhere. Lots and lots of content! The concerns of a product are the salability. Is has to fit perfectly into a 22 mins slot. It can’t upset the wrong people. It has to fit the mood and culture that our advertisers want. Etc. | |
| ▲ | cwillu 40 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | This is a great example of when pulling out a dictionary implies that you've lost the argument, because if people were using the word in the same sense as the dictionary definition, you would have no need of the dictionary to “prove” the meaning. |
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| ▲ | someguyiguess an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Are you trying to listen in Dolby surround on a stereo setup? Disney+ defaults to surround sound and you’ll lose some audio channels if your speakers are stereo |
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| ▲ | advisedwang an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Channel issues are like 90% of issues like this, but it's not always user error. Often a cheap production will just ship the front left + right channels as the stereo mix, instead of down mixing all the left + center channels into the stereo left etc. This is endemic in back catalogs on streaming providers where the catalog is a bulk assets that nobody reviews and is passed around between companies that don't care about the quality they deliver to each other. | |
| ▲ | RobotToaster 42 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | That seems like a terrible default, aren't most people listening in stereo at best? |
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| ▲ | kobieps 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| A recent experience I had was : 1. buy movie on iTunes
2. have kids that can't do long distance drives
3. obtain dvd players for car
4. realized I can't play films that I "bought" on DVD players It feels like the "Buy" button on iTunes/Apple TV is misleading, and should be renamed to "License to watch on Apple devices". Obvious in hindsight, but this type of DRM severely restricts use cases. |
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| ▲ | lucaspiller an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Netflix has the same problem. Downloaded some TV shows for my daughter to watch while we were travelling. Worked fine on the plane, arrived to the hotel, connected to WiFi "This content is not available in your location". Ok, disconnect, don't need wifi. Same message, "This content is not available in your location". | |
| ▲ | cheeze an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | While I agree with you in spirit... were you expecting that you could... burn the film to a DVD or something? Of course buying a movie on itunes means you can only watch it on capable devices. You can't play a youtube video on a VHS player either. | | |
| ▲ | IanCal an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | While I agree it seems obvious you can’t do that, based on how these platforms have limited things for a long time… but that really should be something you can do. Why can’t I get the file and put it on another device? Why can’t I burn it to a dvd? It makes sense that Apple aren’t required to make more software for random devices, but why can’t I have the file and do what I want with it? | |
| ▲ | kobieps an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Not at all (hence saying "obvious in hindsight"). Simply pointing out that, at the time, my purchasing decision wasn't influenced by how many use cases it would restrict. Also, IIRC, there was a period where you could burn Audio CDs from music that you purchased on iTunes. edit: turns out music purchased on iTunes is DRM-free! | | |
| ▲ | cassianoleal an hour ago | parent [-] | | > there was a period where you could burn Audio CDs from music that you purchased on iTunes. Music purchased on iTunes is DRM-free, so you can definitely burn CDs with them. | | |
| ▲ | kobieps an hour ago | parent [-] | | Ah very nice. I suppose it makes sense that music is DRM-free but films aren't | | |
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| ▲ | rkagerer 23 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Of course b̵u̵y̵i̵n̵g̵ licensing a movie on itunes... |
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| ▲ | jeffwask 20 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The Mad Men AI upscale was such trash. You could see cameras, crew, equipment, etc. total mess that showed no care for the material. |
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| ▲ | a1o 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| On missing audio: usually I notice this when I watch with subtitles at night and then end up rewatching during the day with audio at much higher volume… And the thing that is said to be said is just… Not there? |
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| ▲ | Geonode 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | The fact that they refuse to balance audio for standard stereo setups is a whole other nightmare. | | |
| ▲ | skarz 43 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Lately whenever I watch movies my remote stays in my hand so I can boost the volume during dialogue and turn it down during loud action scenes. I've had two different soundbars, one of them quite expensive, and it's an issue on both. | | |
| ▲ | ramgine 31 minutes ago | parent [-] | | From my understanding it’s not which soundbar that’s the issue, it’s that you’re only using a soundbar for audio. The channels all get compressed into one device with a couple speakers instead of whatever it was originally created for, like five or seven speakers with a subwoofer |
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| ▲ | mojo74 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This is the first year I have cancelled all my subs. Used to be a TPB regular around the time it took off. Years later I tried to go legit and have had subs with all the major streamers (netflix, disney, amazon etc) But the way you get squeezed year on year for what was standard before e.g. 4K or no ads to be gradually offered worse terms and degraded output quality just bites after a while. I can't justify spending €20-30 per month on what isn't the best quality available for the content on offer. |
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| ▲ | justaman123 13 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Yeah all the streaming services have gotten so bad and they are adding ads and they are lowering quality and they are getting too expensive. Arghgg I say |
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| ▲ | anthonj an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I will add to the list that for some weird reason in my country original language is not always available for all movies, and the subtitle experience in genenal is lacking. |
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| ▲ | realo 33 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I am in the french-speaking part of Canada. In some Netflix shows, they say words in the english audio that are translated in French with different words with a similar meaning, and with english close-caption words that are also different from the original english audio. Quite amazing. |
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| ▲ | iooi 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > But you'd have no idea because they somehow completely deleted the neighbour's dialogue from the audio This sounds pretty unlikely. It's more likely that there's an issue with your surround system, and that audio "should" be coming from your rear speakers but for some reason it's not. |
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| ▲ | hbn an hour ago | parent [-] | | It wasn't a surround sound system, we were watching on the built-in app on a Fire TV from the TV's speakers. Also just Google "malcolm in the middle missing audio" and you'll find a ton of people with the issue https://www.reddit.com/r/malcolminthemiddle/comments/1kggg7d... This also reminded me of another issue - the show was filmed to be broadcast in 4:3 but apparently someone along the line decided 16:9 is inherently better, so they put out the show in widescreen and now there's a ton of shots where you can see things you're not supposed to see. Someone else standing in for an actor that wasn't there when they filmed, or a toy doll in place of a real baby because they filmed on a day the baby actor wasn't there. | | |
| ▲ | someguyiguess an hour ago | parent [-] | | Yup. That’s your issue. Disney+ outputting Dolby 5.1 and your speakers are stereo. | | |
| ▲ | cycomanic 6 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | That's not what the link says. In fact it is specifically saying it should be working in stereo but tdolby surround has missing channels. | |
| ▲ | hbn an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Well it's still their fault for not making sure their audio works on a normal, non-surround setup Also worth noting that we switched the audio track to Spanish and you can hear it just fine. |
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| ▲ | sushisource 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Disney+ is truly unmitigated dogshit. It constantly chokes and stutters, seems to cause my NVIDIA Sheild to peg its CPU and/or page to disk, or something, to the point where it becomes unresponsive for multiple seconds at a time. I genuinely cannot understand how you could so utterly bungle software that's been a solved problem for over a decade. |
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| ▲ | doublerabbit 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Most recent example - I was watching Malcolm in the Middle on Disney+ with my girlfriend, and we found that there are entire audio tracks missing in multiple episodes. The licenses for the song tracks have also expired; so they removed these too. The main noticeable difference is being the intro sequence originally sung by There Might be Giants which has been replaced with a less-impressive cover that ruins the vibe. Why can't these tracks just forever live with the series? I went and bought the DVD box-set just because of such. A £2 purchase that I than ripped to my NAS. I've not watched the latest remake because I don't want to ruin the original vibe of such a great show. Real acting, real filming; the last of it's kind. |
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| ▲ | triceratops 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > That's because the license for the tracks expired They're talking about pieces of dialogue in the show, not licensed music. | | |
| ▲ | doublerabbit 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I know. And I am commenting on that the licensed music within the series has been replaced due to expired licensing for which that itself is ridiculous. | | |
| ▲ | rkagerer 10 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Hah! How soon 'till some MBA comes up with a scheme to start licensing movies one word at a time? | |
| ▲ | radley an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Re-licensing music is a two-fold challenge. Sometimes it's much more efficient to use substitute music, instead of negotiating for new rights. First, licensing arrangements for "all marketing channels" only account for the channels that exist at the time. When a new market channel opens up, such as streaming, music labels will require new licensing terms for that channel. If they don't, they might not get paid. (TV & movie studios are just as ruthless as music labels). Second, in turn, the labels often have to get new permission from artists for the new channel. Tracking down all artists can be a challenge and require resources that they can't recoup. | | |
| ▲ | cwillu 34 minutes ago | parent [-] | | And all that just strengthens the case for piracy: you actually get the original thing. |
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| ▲ | hbn an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I have never seen an episode that had a cover of the theme song. Maybe that was a thing with the new reboot? I don't know because I heard nothing that made me want to watch it. | |
| ▲ | phpdave11 26 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | This is a good point. Another problem with streaming services, specifically for music streaming services, is that they can change the track of a previously released album with no user choice to hear the original. Example: Track 4 of Elephunk by the Black Eyed Peas. It was universally replaced with the “clean” version of the song. I’m not a fan of rewriting history. |
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| ▲ | shevy-java 33 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > Never had an issue like that with torrenting because the people providing it care about the quality, metadata A friend once pointed that out. He pays a lot and gets low quality. That was what changed his mind. That was also almost twenty years ago. Most people changed. US corporations trying to raid people in foreign countries is, in my opinion, no longer acceptable at all. The swedish government should be ashamed for acting as US proxies here (nowadays with Trump this is more clear, but even 20 years ago or 25 years ago, it should have been a no-brainer). |