| ▲ | United Airlines 767 returns to Newark after Bluetooth name sparks alert(simpleflying.com) |
| 105 points by Eridanus2 6 hours ago | 93 comments |
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| ▲ | xrd 22 minutes ago | parent | next [-] |
| What's to prevent terrorists from going through TSA, waiting in the scanning line when everyone is still going through, and then planting a bluetooth device into someone else's bag? I never open my carryon once I have packed it. This reminds me of the SNL sketch where TSA employees had no answer for someone bringing two separate bottles of 3.9 ounces onto the plane. I'm sure Sean Duffy, of Real World and now Sec of Transportation, will fix this. |
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| ▲ | rayiner a minute ago | parent | next [-] | | [delayed] | |
| ▲ | umvi 5 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Seems like an effective DoS attack - ground all planes in the US by sneaking cheap bluetooth speakers into people's luggage with provacative device names | |
| ▲ | lazide 21 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The same thing that is stopping them from suicide bombing the super crowded security checkpoint line before ID checks. Nothing really. | | |
| ▲ | bdcravens 11 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Or going into the baggage claim area with a bag containing an explosive device, then acting like they grabbed the wrong bag and putting it back on the carousel, and then leaving. | | |
| ▲ | bruce511 4 minutes ago | parent [-] | | As an aside, this is something I've only seen in the US. At least in my country the domestic baggage claim area is not accessible unless from an arriving aircraft. I'm guessing that has more to do with theft though than security. |
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| ▲ | koolba 18 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | > What's to prevent terrorists from going through TSA, waiting in the scanning line when everyone is still going through, and then planting a bluetooth device into someone else's bag? I never open my carryon once I have packed it. I make it a point to hold up the whole line until it is my turn to go through the xray. It gets fun when they mandate a pat down in lieu of the millimeter wave scanner but refuse to have someone available for it. It’s the only way to honestly say you have kept your bags under watch. If anybody tries to send in my bags without me , I immediately speak up in a loud stern voice, “That is not your bag!” |
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| ▲ | samgranieri 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| A 16 year boy apparently named his Bluetooth speaker “bomb” and couldn’t turn it off, as it was probably in checked luggage. Woof. |
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| ▲ | jeroenhd 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You can't rename most Bluetooth speakers. "Bomb" was the name the selling brand gave the speaker. By making everyone turn off their Bluetooth, the kid whose speaker had turned on probably couldn't even see the device broadcasting the name. People linked to one by a company made Hellotec but Hama has a similarly named device, and plenty of other speaker manufacturers try to make a pun out of "boombox" by naming their devices "bomb" (iJoy, ZEB-MUSIC, and presumably other such brands). Maybe if someone asked the passengers if anyone knew about this "bomb" Bluetooth device the kid would've remembered, but in this case I can't blame them. On the other hand, asking passengers if they know something about a bomb is probably the quickest way to cause a panic. The entire thing seems like a ridiculous overreaction. What kind of terrorist would call their bomb "bomb"? This is "Al Qaeda Free WiFi" all over again. | | |
| ▲ | lazide 19 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Even better. The news made it sound like it was an intentional act (at best a prank) by the kid. If it’s a commercial product doing it, I can’t even quantify the levels of facepalm involved. |
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| ▲ | jychang 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It was a bomb speaker: https://hellottec.com/product/bomb-portable-bluetooth-speake... | | | |
| ▲ | thisislife2 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | When did Airlines start scanning Bluetooth devices? | | |
| ▲ | aobdev an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Airlines have kept tabs on Bluetooth and WiFi hotspots as early as the Samsung Galaxy Note 7 incidents (2016) | | | |
| ▲ | firesteelrain an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Some Karen probably reported it |
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| ▲ | justinhj a minute ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This is like the Adam Sandler movie where he says bomb on an airplane.
It's an overreaction, is it not?
A terrorist is not going to call their bomb's bluetooth trigger bomb. Even if they are, are you telling me we have no idea whether there is a bomb in luggage or not? |
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| ▲ | CamelCaseName 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The Reddit thread on this was equal parts amazing and hilarious. Real time insights from not one, but 9, redditors on the flight. Main post: https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedairlines/s/57lugEMhxl All the redditors on board: https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedairlines/s/Fh2KoqG4SY A passenger with a hilariously illtimed username: https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedairlines/s/W86tRI6ZVf |
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| ▲ | koolba 16 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Very interesting, but a hell of a way to dox yourself for being on the flight manifest. | | |
| ▲ | Arainach 8 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | The entities that have access to flight manifests have far easier ways to identify who's behind your account. It's not a threat model worth seriously considering. | |
| ▲ | lostlogin 4 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Are flight manifests public? Internal flights in New Zealand don’t need ID. So if you knew you were going to posting your terrible flight experience, you could fly under a fake name. |
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| ▲ | Insimwytim 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Those new obfuscated links prevent old.reddit to work. Is there a way for you to post proper direct links? | | |
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| ▲ | Bender 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| People prank others all the time with goofy names [1] (2014) So are we at the point where that will change and devices will have to just assign random sanitized dictionary names? "Connect to my 'apple horse bunny farm'" There are programs that can flood an area with tens of thousands of fake access points (scapy-fakeap). Or thousands of drones for that matter. [2] [1] - https://observer.com/2014/03/park-slope-kiddie-shop-hunts-fo... [2] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8jn_6EmYxE |
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| ▲ | btown 22 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Pranks aside, this becomes remarkably scary when you think about all the ways that a malicious/compromised device could cause chaos. | |
| ▲ | dylan604 16 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | I really don't appreciate you posting my unhashed password to the public like that |
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| ▲ | mikeocool 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > a flight attendant told passengers over the PA system that they "must turn off Bluetooth immediately," or else the aircraft would have to turn around. So if the person just takes back their bomb threat everything is ok? Or did they think the terrorist labeled their Bluetooth bomb “bomb” and this would disable it? |
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| ▲ | thih9 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I guess they assumed there were two scenarios: 1. It was unintentional; someone had a bluetooth device called BOMB for some reason that made sense before boarding the plane. They would turn it off. 2. It was intentional; someone wanted to send a warning and chose this channel - they would leave the device on. | | |
| ▲ | stefan_ 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | 3. The level of tech illiteracy combined with airplane security theater is an affront to all thinking people. | | |
| ▲ | kube-system an hour ago | parent [-] | | 4. A normal level of risk aversion in one of the most risk averse industries If airlines ignored every threat that was “probably not” a real threat, they’d ignore all of them. It’s better to inconvenience a few thousand passengers than it is to kill a few hundred. | | |
| ▲ | Haven880 28 minutes ago | parent [-] | | How many threats did actually turn out to be real to date? I couldn't find this being published. But how many threats did happen without any indication (only after the perpetrators tell). I can easily recalled maybe 3-4 incidents. So the issue here is do knowing threats really help? |
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| ▲ | jychang 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It wasn't a bomb threat: https://hellottec.com/product/bomb-portable-bluetooth-speake... | | | |
| ▲ | lazide 18 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Apparently it wasn’t a threat - a kid had a commercial Bluetooth speaker that names itself as ‘bomb’. No one on the plane did anything intentionally. |
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| ▲ | richstokes 17 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Andddd now everyone knows that an arbitrary text string in a device hostname is enough to ground a flight. |
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| ▲ | basilikum 8 minutes ago | parent [-] | | To be honest calling the police and saying you have a bomb planted on flight XYZ and want 100000$ or you'll detonate it, is probably also enough. | | |
| ▲ | bluescrn a minute ago | parent [-] | | But bombs apparently use bluetooth now, so he can't detonate it from more than a few metres away... |
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| ▲ | IamCompliant an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This feels like one of those rare stories where everyone involved probably overreacted a little, but you can also understand why nobody wanted to be the person who ignored it. These phones should have limits of how much you can use the tech... |
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| ▲ | basilikum 6 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > These phones should have limits of how much you can use the tech... What do you mean? |
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| ▲ | opengrass an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Why would it land in New York instead of St John? |
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| ▲ | wartywhoa23 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Oh gosh, sure, terrorists always name their devices "bomb" in the open. |
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| ▲ | puttycat 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| What a usability nightmare this site is: 3-4 popups before I could even read the title. No thank you.
And this is with an adblocker turned on. Don't these sites realize how many users they're losing? |
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| ▲ | outside1234 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Someone needs to explain to me how the name of a Bluetooth device has any bearing on anything. Isn’t the real security not letting a bomb on the plane? Also, now anyone who wants to disrupt a flight can switch their WiFi or Bluetooth name to Bomb or “Free Palestine” and the flight gets disrupted? Get out of here. |
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| ▲ | jltsiren 30 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | There is nothing new in that. It's pretty common that people get drunk at the airport or on the plane and make jokes about bombs or something. Then the place is evacuated and flights are disrupted. The culprits get arrested and probably have to pay a fine and maybe some compensation to the affected airlines, but they usually don't get any prison time. | |
| ▲ | NegativeK 29 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | There are simpler ways to disrupt a flight. | |
| ▲ | lazide 17 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Just wait until you hear what a bad joke while waiting in the TSA line can do to you day. | | |
| ▲ | dylan604 9 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I brought some bathbombs on a trip as part of a thank you gift. My bag got pulled aside for additional screening, and I had to think for a second on what to call them when the TSA person asked me what they were. |
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| ▲ | sammy2255 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| IM THE BOMB AND ABOUT TO BLOW UPPPPPPPP |
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| ▲ | eudamoniac 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Even if you discount the possibility of an intentional threat as silly, this could have been a warning from someone under duress. Turning around was the right move. |
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| ▲ | netsharc 22 minutes ago | parent [-] | | How does that scenario work? Someone's under duress because presumably there's a terrorist on board. He lets the crew know there's a bomb onboard. The plane turns around, and the terrorist... lets the plane land safely? OK maybe the bomb blows up when it crosses some longitude, because this is like the movie Speed, and turning around means the plane never cross that longitude.. If you mean another type of duress, naming your device "plshelp-[seat number]" would be a hell lot more effective.. |
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| ▲ | piokoch 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| ... I can't believe what I am reading... "Bluetooth speaker name had been set to a "four-letter word, [...] BOMB". Luckily, it wasn't named "Nuclear Bomb from Cuba" because US Authorities would not have other choice than to nuke Cuba. Seriously? What those people are doing when they see a fence with "ASS" painted on it? Do they believe that too? |
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| ▲ | alfiedotwtf 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > "Free Palestine, F Zionists" Does the FBI usually get involved when someone says these words in public in the US? |
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| ▲ | stego-tech 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Not directly, no, but they’ll build a file for what they consider extremist views. Just look back to the Civil Rights Movement era for the list of things people said that would get them an FBI file - we have a long and storied history of surveilling anyone and everyone who says things that go against what political power desires. That being said, I do think any cabin crew pitching a fit over such a hotspot name is absolutely in the wrong. That’s not a threat, that’s personal opinion, and it’s not the hotspot owner’s fault the crew conflates Zionist ideology specifically with Jewish Faith in general like an ignorant fool. | | |
| ▲ | alfiedotwtf an hour ago | parent [-] | | “Free Palestine” isn’t exactly fringe. In fact, outside America and Israel, I’d bet it’s the default stance | | |
| ▲ | chimeracoder an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | > “Free Palestine” isn’t exactly fringe. In fact, outside America and Israel, I’d bet it’s the default stance That's certainly not true in many European countries | |
| ▲ | throw3580494 39 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Something can be a “virtuous” statement while still being an expression of hatred. Someone shouting “free Palestine” at random Jews in Europe, for example, is just being an antisemite. | | |
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| ▲ | tjpnz 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | In the UK you can get arrested for saying less. | |
| ▲ | hluska 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | An aircraft is not really public. The Captain and FO have a tremendous amount of power they can wield to make sure a flight passes without incident. A plane is not the place to make statements. Granted though, the FBI didn’t actually get involved. But why let facts get in the way of rage? | | |
| ▲ | alfiedotwtf an hour ago | parent [-] | | > A plane is not the place to make statements Sounds like they should only be made in freedom designated zones a-la Bush-Cheney |
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| ▲ | fortran77 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The "Palestinian" movement _invented_ airplane hijacking. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_hijackings_an... So yes, the FBI will get involved in this case. In this context it is something to worry about. | | |
| ▲ | breezybottom 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_hijacking Looks like the first one was a Hungarian in 1919. | |
| ▲ | Cyph0n 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | And when was the last time such a hijacking took place outside of so-called “Israel”? | | |
| ▲ | hluska 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | > so-called “Israel” What’s with the ‘so-called’? That’s what the country is called. Israel. But I’m not sure that you’re aware but there was a really big one 25 years ago this coming September. Maybe you heard of it? | | |
| ▲ | Cyph0n 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | u/fortran77 used the phrase so-called “Palestinian” movement (slightly edited since), so I simply responded with the same rhetoric :) Of course, I somehow doubt that you would have a similarly strong reaction when Palestine is erased. | | | |
| ▲ | kennywinker 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | No that was because they hate our freedom, not because of decades of occupation and war all over the middle east funded by US taxpayer dollars. |
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| ▲ | elzbardico 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Which is kind of ironic, considering modern terrorism was basically an invention of the Zionist movement in Palestine. | |
| ▲ | root-parent an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Biased much? You could have used:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_hijacking That says: "Airplane hijackings have occurred since the early days of flight. ...Pre-1929, 1929–1957, 1958–1979, 1980–2000, and 2001–present." "...Between 1958 and 1967, there were approximately 40 hijackings worldwide..According to the FAA, in the 1960s, there were 100 attempts of hijackings involving U.S. aircraft: 77 successful and 23 unsuccessful.... "..In a five-year period (1968–1972) the world experienced 326 hijack attempts, or one every 5.6 days.." And your conclusion is "Palestinian" movement (that you wrote between quotes)...invented airplane hijacking? |
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| ▲ | esseph 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The government of Israel has more freedom of speech and control over the US than voting citizens do. | |
| ▲ | ajross 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Not sure why this is downvoted. This was an example from the same article. And the answer is that the FBI wasn't involved. That was a threat the pilot made, which comes psychologically from the same place as terrorist bomb threats (and also "eat your vegetables or you'll die early" parenting). You want to control someone's behavior so you threaten maximalist retaliation. | |
| ▲ | isoprophlex 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Imagine getting your jimmies this rustled over expressing antipathy for a genocidal regime, and sympathy for an oppressed people. | | |
| ▲ | sbayg 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Cognitive dissonance can explain a lot. If you don’t think the current regime is genocidal (whatever that even means) then you might get very concerned that anybody who says it is genocidal is a dangerous lunatic or terrorist sympathizer. Even saying something obviously truthful like “there are good people on both sides” becomes a threatening provocation. Hate is a system. |
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