| ▲ | alfiedotwtf 6 hours ago |
| > "Free Palestine, F Zionists" Does the FBI usually get involved when someone says these words in public in the US? |
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| ▲ | stego-tech 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Not directly, no, but they’ll build a file for what they consider extremist views. Just look back to the Civil Rights Movement era for the list of things people said that would get them an FBI file - we have a long and storied history of surveilling anyone and everyone who says things that go against what political power desires. That being said, I do think any cabin crew pitching a fit over such a hotspot name is absolutely in the wrong. That’s not a threat, that’s personal opinion, and it’s not the hotspot owner’s fault the crew conflates Zionist ideology specifically with Jewish Faith in general like an ignorant fool. |
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| ▲ | alfiedotwtf 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | “Free Palestine” isn’t exactly fringe. In fact, outside America and Israel, I’d bet it’s the default stance | | |
| ▲ | throw3580494 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Something can be a “virtuous” statement while still being an expression of hatred. Someone shouting “free Palestine” at random Jews in Europe, for example, is just being an antisemite. | | |
| ▲ | megous an hour ago | parent [-] | | Why? This makes no logical sense. | | |
| ▲ | throw3580494 43 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Try and think of other groups of people and the “legitimate” statements that can be said to them in a hateful way. You may genuinely believe that it’s wrong to blow up planes, but going up to a random Muslim in the airport and telling them “please don’t blow yourself up” is Islamophobic. Do you agree with that? | | |
| ▲ | megous 15 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Either the person you're telling your opinion about Palestine agrees with you or not. Expressing an opinion about some situation publicly is not hate. And who you're telling your opinion to is irrelevant. You're not telling them to not attack Palestine by shouting "Free Palestine", or anything similar, only that you believe that Palestine should be free, so your comparison is not valid, because it does not contain any hidden assumptions. They might as well agree with you. They can correctly respond by shouting Free Palestine back at you. |
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| ▲ | dghlsakjg 9 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | I’m Jewish and living in North America. I have no ability to affect Israeli policy, nor is my heritage an endorsement of it. If someone was yelling at me about Palestine because I am Jewish, I would be pretty offended, even though I probably agree with them. It’s the same as running up to a Muslim and screaming “stop terrorism”. Or running up to a black person and yelling “stop gang violence”. The action of yelling at a random person because they belong to an ethnic group that is the dominant party that is doing a bad thing in a different part of the world means you are inherently judging them for their race/ethnicity. It is a pretty good definition of racism. If you are yelling free Palestine at everyone, fine. If you are targeting your message at people because of their race, that’s just racism. The targeting is the issue, not the message. |
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| ▲ | chimeracoder 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > “Free Palestine” isn’t exactly fringe. In fact, outside America and Israel, I’d bet it’s the default stance That's certainly not true in many European countries | | |
| ▲ | lostlogin 29 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > That's certainly not true in many European countries This suprised me. I’ve hunted for polling and can find plenty showing a plummeting opinion on Israel, but little on internal polling about a Palestinian state. |
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| ▲ | lostlogin 38 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > when someone says these words in public in the US? Depending on where the plane was, it might not even have happened in the US. |
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| ▲ | tjpnz 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| In the UK you can get arrested for saying less. |
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| ▲ | lostlogin 27 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Can you?
‘I support Palestinian Action’ is all I can think of and it’s the same length. |
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| ▲ | hluska 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| An aircraft is not really public. The Captain and FO have a tremendous amount of power they can wield to make sure a flight passes without incident. A plane is not the place to make statements. Granted though, the FBI didn’t actually get involved. But why let facts get in the way of rage? |
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| ▲ | alfiedotwtf 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > A plane is not the place to make statements Sounds like they should only be made in freedom designated zones a-la Bush-Cheney |
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| ▲ | ajross 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Not sure why this is downvoted. This was an example from the same article. And the answer is that the FBI wasn't involved. That was a threat the pilot made, which comes psychologically from the same place as terrorist bomb threats (and also "eat your vegetables or you'll die early" parenting). You want to control someone's behavior so you threaten maximalist retaliation. |
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| ▲ | esseph 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The government of Israel has more freedom of speech and control over the US than voting citizens do. |
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| ▲ | lostlogin 15 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Give citizens time, one of them might persuade Trump to attack another country, levelling the score. Greenland isn’t out the danger zone yet. |
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| ▲ | isoprophlex 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Imagine getting your jimmies this rustled over expressing antipathy for a genocidal regime, and sympathy for an oppressed people. |
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| ▲ | sbayg 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Cognitive dissonance can explain a lot. If you don’t think the current regime is genocidal (whatever that even means) then you might get very concerned that anybody who says it is genocidal is a dangerous lunatic or terrorist sympathizer. Even saying something obviously truthful like “there are good people on both sides” becomes a threatening provocation. Hate is a system. | | |
| ▲ | megous 23 minutes ago | parent [-] | | It means this: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/5/31/satellite-imagery-s... Israelis, particularly Israeli jews for some reason, are very hateful. (half of them advocate killing every inhabitant of a conquered city https://archive.ph/nNzq4 - and they absolutely destroyed entire 100k+ strong cities in the last few years and killed everyone who refused to flee, so it's not an idle threat) They bombed many cafes and restaurants in the last few years, full of people. On average they seem like complete violent nutjobs. Like every second Israeli you'll meet is likely to be one of those that if they decide they want your city, they'd just advocate killing you and your entire family if you resist. Yet they can still fly freely in the world?! People are too tolerant if anything. :) | | |
| ▲ | lostlogin 12 minutes ago | parent [-] | | It’s not just the beating and killing of people. That seems bad enough, but the recent episode of ‘settlers’ torturing a dog is horrific. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/22/world/middleeast/settler-... | | |
| ▲ | megous a few seconds ago | parent [-] | | Yeah, I've see way too much violence against animals from both Israeli state, and public. But that's to be expected I guess, from a state that does not even adequately punish their soldiers when they execute children or parents in front of children, and whose commanders think squid games is an inspiration, or whatever. |
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| ▲ | fortran77 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| The "Palestinian" movement _invented_ airplane hijacking. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_hijackings_an... So yes, the FBI will get involved in this case. In this context it is something to worry about. |
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| ▲ | root-parent 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Biased much? You could have used:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_hijacking That says: "Airplane hijackings have occurred since the early days of flight. ...Pre-1929, 1929–1957, 1958–1979, 1980–2000, and 2001–present." "...Between 1958 and 1967, there were approximately 40 hijackings worldwide..According to the FAA, in the 1960s, there were 100 attempts of hijackings involving U.S. aircraft: 77 successful and 23 unsuccessful.... "..In a five-year period (1968–1972) the world experienced 326 hijack attempts, or one every 5.6 days.." And your conclusion is "Palestinian" movement (that you wrote between quotes)...invented airplane hijacking? | |
| ▲ | breezybottom 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_hijacking Looks like the first one was a Hungarian in 1919. | |
| ▲ | lostlogin 22 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > In this context it is something to worry about. Would you really be worried if someone said or wrote that near you in any context? Short of them holding a weapon, this is baffling. HN is generally absolutist when it comes to ‘freedom of speech’, and I don’t agree with having no limits, but in this instance it’s some overly sensitive overreaching BS. | |
| ▲ | elzbardico 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Which is kind of ironic, considering modern terrorism was basically an invention of the Zionist movement in Palestine. | | |
| ▲ | basilgohar 4 minutes ago | parent [-] | | It's also completely false because they cited only Palestine-related hijackings, and not the parent article that goes back far further and proves they're lying. |
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| ▲ | Cyph0n 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | And when was the last time such a hijacking took place outside of so-called “Israel”? | | |
| ▲ | hluska 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | > so-called “Israel” What’s with the ‘so-called’? That’s what the country is called. Israel. But I’m not sure that you’re aware but there was a really big one 25 years ago this coming September. Maybe you heard of it? | | |
| ▲ | Cyph0n 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | u/fortran77 used the phrase so-called “Palestinian” movement (slightly edited since), so I simply responded with the same rhetoric :) Of course, I somehow doubt that you would have a similarly strong reaction when Palestine is erased. | | |
| ▲ | msla an hour ago | parent [-] | | No evidence of that, of course, but your comment stands. |
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| ▲ | kennywinker 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | No that was because they hate our freedom, not because of decades of occupation and war all over the middle east funded by US taxpayer dollars. | | |
| ▲ | lostlogin 17 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I’d like to see a rebuttal to this comment. Is the US now safer after the Iran attacks? |
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