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devindotcom 3 hours ago

Good for them. These companies appear exploitative and rent-seeking far beyond what the infrastructure they provide suggests is reasonable.

If you're interested, next time you take a car, ask the driver what their end is - you may be surprised how little of the fare they actually take home. That share will only decrease unless they all get on one side of a table.

slibhb 19 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

These companies seem great to me. Far better than what preceded them anyway. I'm skeptical that they're "rent-seeking" in any meaningful way, or that unions will meaingfully improve the situation.

anthonypasq 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

if all these drivers are getting horribly exploited why are they doing it?

pipo234 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You might ask the same about any exploitive relation.

Why is there prostitution?

Why are slaves doing work for their masters?

Why are children going through our garbage in some distant country, if they hardly earn enough to eat?

anthonypasq 42 minutes ago | parent [-]

i dont think the choice between driving Uber and working at Walmart is the same as being a slave or dying.

pipo234 16 minutes ago | parent [-]

True, they are not the same. But they probably feel similarly coerced into accepting an unfair deal.

So yeah, the comparisons are hyperboles, but I totally feel why they're upset and hope collective bargaining helps better their situation.

AirMax98 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's a bit like a payday loan — the drivers need money _today_ and effectively borrow against the depreciation of their vehicle.

twoodfin 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

https://chicagounbound.uchicago.edu/jle/vol59/iss1/8/

Banning payday loans tends to shift borrowers to worse forms of credit.

One imagines worsening the economics of ride share jobs will do the same.

scottyah 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Not sure why you're being downvoted, this is what I've heard as well. It gets a person cash while they are in transitionary periods of time. There are not a lot of jobs you can get paid for almost immediately- most require startup time, training, applications, etc.

chalupa-supreme 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

All because you’re being exploited doesn’t mean you can’t voice your want to change things.

Some of these workers might find that the only gig that they can rely on is ride share for various reasons.

twoodfin 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Various reasons necessarily include the successful business model of the ride share companies.

chimpanzee 28 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

To pay for tomorrow perhaps.

techteach00 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Food and shelter?

devindotcom 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

what a revealing question. why don't you ask one next time you're in a car?

anthonypasq 41 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I have, they mostly say they enjoy it, they can work when they want, scale up when they need more money, scale down when they dont, decent money etc.

flexible, supplemental income.

harmmonica 17 minutes ago | parent [-]

I'm asking this earnestly, do you ever follow up and ask if the added money/income offsets the additional wear and tear on their vehicles? Like do most of those folks you talk to understand the potential trade off? I would think the average rideshare driver understands that generally ("of course the added mileage decreases the value of the car!"), but I wonder how many folks take the time to quantify it, even roughly. Seems like a logical follow-up question when you're interviewing/making small talk with them.

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darth_avocado 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why are children mining rare minerals in Africa? Why are workers handling toxic waste in the name of recycling in Bangladesh? Surely they can all work from home and leave their jobs if it’s that exploitative

shimman 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why do people that need money to live often work for companies that exploit them? Were you born in a vat yesterday or are you unaware that this is the entire modus operandi of capitalism?

anthonypasq 39 minutes ago | parent [-]

i dont think selling labor for money is inherently exploitative. its a two sided voluntary exchange.

onedognight 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I’d guess because most don’t correctly account for wear and tear and depreciation of their car when they do their mental profit calculation.

emceestork 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's definitely not because of this. They are not stupid.

anthonypasq 38 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

right, so the real answer is that all these poor immigrants are too stupid to realize they are losing money. lovely class solidarity there.

czhu12 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

it’s very confusing why uber makes so little profit given hire big their cut of every ride seemingly is.

Ekaros 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think truth is that tech companies are really bad at business unless they can scale with free unit economies. Even the unit costs with per seat subscriptions seem insane when you stop and think of the numbers in isolation. Ofc, compared to amount they pay their employees they are cheap, but in other places and industries it looks way overpriced.

kshacker 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

R&D is not cheap and similarly executive comp is not cheap. They appear to have made a net income of 1.5 B last year (2025), but if. you look at exec comp, the top 5 execs took in 100 M. If you check all their creamy layer, it is likely they spent a quarter billion in stuff that did not need to be paid if all you had were private taxies :) with an open source app // I exaggerate of course since you need some servers to coordinate this, just pointing out where money goes. If someone could run and popularize an open ride platform, that quarter billion would go somewhere else, maybe to the drivers, maybe to the riders.

energy123 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Intermediation and Uber style network effects aren't long for this world.

Personal agents will search every app for the lowest fare, when in the past the apps had a moat due to the economic frictions involved in sampling more than one app. Uber is also ripe for vibe coding.

Won't be much consolation to drivers as they'll get automated soon after probably.

I don't think all software companies are in imminent danger but Uber does seem particularly vulnerable.

colechristensen 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They would make plenty of money if they went in to maintenance mode and just kept the lights on development-wise instead of pouring billions into R&D each year.

There's probably a big opportunity in the startup world for building businesses that have an end goal. Like a TV show that has a whole story to tell and then stops... a business that has an entire development plan which finishes and at the end you have a stable business that stops adding features, cuts development costs to maintenance, and just exists.

Like I don't need my taxi app to change, we're good, you can just be done making new stuff.

mlsu 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There's even more money to be made selling a false promise of infinite growth, dumping your bags, and riding off into the sunset.

xp84 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It hurts so much that our system makes that concept as impossible at scale as landing a ship on Venus with 10,000 people and starting a space colony complete with all the amenities of home.

Yours is a pretty normal idea for nearly any business before 100 years ago, plus still the way all small businesses with 1 owner generally work (they call it a “Lifestyle business” today). But any public company that just said “Yeah we basically just print $400 million in profit every year, and have no plans to grow that, nor to change anything besides doing maintenance” gets the kind of treatment Southwest just did: taken over by the enshittification engineers and destroyed. Everything must have infinite growth!!

justaman123 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think it's going to take a act of Congress to make this happen. We could literally legislate our way out of enshitification but where's the huge amount of money in that?

bee_rider 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Some forms of enshitification already feel a lot like dumping to me. I wonder why existing consumer protection laws don’t cover it already in some cases.

flohofwoe 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Uber is a frigging service for calling a taxi, how much "R&D" does a mobile app connected to a database need?

dghlsakjg 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Brainstorming new fees to add on to their services that the drivers don’t get a cut of takes up a few billion a year I would imagine.

linuxftw 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They spent billions and billions on trying to make self-driving a thing.

AlexandrB 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

We replaced small, local businesses (taxi companies) with a large multinational duopoly. Another example of tech "democratizing" something.

aksss an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Taxi companies in most cities were exploitive oligarchies - it was textbook regulatory capture. Often their workers weren't any better off in terms of lopsided deals. And the customer experience sucked sooo bad. The smells, the illegal "cash only" bait and switch, the runarounds. I remember. I was there, Gandalf. And I'll take Uber any day over going back to the old system.

matchbok3 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I'm sorry, but those "small local" taxi companies were rife with discrimination and horrible user experiences. "Small" is not inherently better.

IAmBroom 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Indeed. My worst Uber experience is still better than 90% of the taxi rides I've had.