| ▲ | palmotea 6 hours ago |
| Maybe with AI we can finally kill user-owned computing, and make almost everyone renters. It's really wrong that the common people have access to things like PCs. It leaves a lot of money on the table the corporations can extract, and makes control much harder. PCs should cost at least as much as a car, so only the right people can afford them. Own nothing and be happy. |
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| ▲ | tru3_power 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I kinda felt like this was coming so mid last year I built a local rig with the top of the line parts I could afford at the time lol (rtx5090/ryzen9 etc) now I just need to build out my inference setup (sadly m3 ultras r insanely expensive now) - I have a feeling they will try to lock down usage of open source LLMs too. I don’t get how token moat can exist if local inference rigs can be built out and serve open source models locally for nothing (besides power cost). |
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| ▲ | cryo32 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Sarcasm aside, yep. There will be three classes: the owned, the owners and the unownable. I aim to be unownable. |
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| ▲ | therepanic 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | There will be two classes: those who are part of the perpetual underclass and those who are not. And 98 percent of the population will be part of it. | | |
| ▲ | psadauskas 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | There are _already_ two classes: Those who earn their living from their labor, and those whose income is derived simply by owning things they (often) didn't create themselves and charge for access. | | |
| ▲ | palmotea 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Those who earn their living from their labor If any of these people don't work or don't work enough, they undeserving immoral moochers and should be miserable and in pain. > and those whose income is derived simply by owning things they (often) didn't create themselves and charge for access. It totally fine if these people never lift a finger in their lives. In fact, they deserve it. NEVER question that. N-E-V-E-R! It's great! Capitalism is great! Capitalism is fair! | |
| ▲ | SoftTalker 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You talk like this is new, it's the way it's always been. | |
| ▲ | rokkamokka 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The root of most of society's problems right there... | | |
| ▲ | smokel 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Also the root of most of society in the first place. We would probably not be able to sustain our current standard of living without this horrible system. |
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| ▲ | yubblegum 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > There will be two classes That confident "will" in that prognosis may ultimately stimulate a consensus "why?" response in the population to explore alternative outcomes .. |
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| ▲ | badc0ffee 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Sounds like my kid's friends talking about betas, alphas and sigmas. I think they aim to be sigmas. | |
| ▲ | gk-- 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | i've said something similar, but i shorten it to labour and capital. similar conclusion. | |
| ▲ | giraffe_lady 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It will be the same two classes there are now and always have been. Those who need to sell their labor and those they sell it to. Class struggle is the only way out. Find some solidarity, you aren't exempt. | |
| ▲ | dmos62 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | How will you do that? | | |
| ▲ | cryo32 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | To be owned, someone needs leverage over you or the ability to coerce you. I spent the last half a century making sure they have no leverage and I am not interested in being coerced. It's called security. | | |
| ▲ | dmos62 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | If you don't care to go into detail, that's fine, but your answer is vague. E.g. do you have a hidden, off-grid, underground lair? | | |
| ▲ | cryo32 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | No. I don't need to work. I outright own my accomodation. I have no hard technology dependencies. | | |
| ▲ | khimaros 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | if you are on land, you are (or someone is) still paying rent to the government. rent can be raised and you will be evicted if you don't pay. if you are living mobile, you probably need gas or batteries for warmth or cooling. if your climate is currently comfortable, temperatures can be raised. or maybe you are a nomad hunting and gathering your own food? the wilderness can be pillaged and sold and "secured" until there's nothing left to eat. there is no perfect security. | | |
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| ▲ | overfeed 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > If you don't care to go into detail, that's fine, but your answer is vague No lairs necessary. You can read up on people who do FIRE. | | |
| ▲ | dexterdog 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | 99% of people who follow that are still completely dependent on the world order and will be just as screwed as everybody else if everything goes tits-up. | | |
| ▲ | cryo32 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The aim is to be screwed last. That's a reasonable survival strategy. | |
| ▲ | overfeed 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | There's a lot of bullshit that can happen between the status quo and everything going tits up. Having FU money means you can say -all things being equal - "Fuck You" when it's appropriate, instead of worrying about becoming homeless or not having enough to eat |
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| ▲ | pllbnk 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Hey guys, Richard Stallman is on HN! | | |
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| ▲ | rexpop 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [dead] |
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| ▲ | e2le 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's unfortunate but personal general-purpose computing has being under attack for a long time, this is only another nail in the coffin. |
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| ▲ | svachalek 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I'm sure this makes the billionaire class happy but there are some legit economics involved. We all want frontier class models running on our home PC but that takes 100x or 1000x the computer we've been running. The market isn't going to instantly adapt and make that kind of machine for the same price we've been paying for 1% of it, so that we can leave it sitting idle 99% of the day. |
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| ▲ | 2ndorderthought 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| On HN it's not always clear when sarcasm is in use. Especially given that I have seen AI bros basically cheering this on. |
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| ▲ | elzbardico 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Not to mention the comment agents. The true AI bro/sis won't waste her/his time commenting when an agent can do it for him/her. | | | |
| ▲ | wg0 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | AI bros and crypto bros. One and the same thing. Same optimism. Same arguments. Same blind faith. Same zero knowledge of how economy, society or even the technology they are evangelizing works under the hood and what are its shortcomings that are impossible to overcome because physics won't allow. | | |
| ▲ | red75prime 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | > what are its shortcomings that are impossible to overcome because physics won't allow. Have you intended to say "because reasons"? There should be a long chain of reasoning connecting "LLMs will never be able to strictly follow instructions written in natural language (as agreed by 90% consensus of experts or some such, because you can't formally verify adherence to informal natural language instructions)" and "physics doesn't allow that." And I can't find it anywhere. Neither in your comment history, nor in literature. | | |
| ▲ | wg0 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Because it is next token predictions and there is no logical part into that. It is like saying I cannot find any research paper on the fact that car collusion might cause fire because gasoline is in the tank. But the fact is that there's plenty of literature out there on hallucination and unreliability of LLMs already. If you know otherwise, let us inform Dario before next funding round. |
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| ▲ | stavros 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If you want it to be sarcasm, treat it like sarcasm. What's the worst thing that could happen? | | |
| ▲ | cortesoft 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Well, the last time I assumed everyone was being sarcastic and ironic, until they actually elected the guy president. | | |
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| ▲ | martinwilly34 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
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| ▲ | nickpp 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| PCs are also made by corporations, together with PC parts. The reason computing became so cheap during the last 50 years was competition between said corporations. Competition that is also pushing the AI token price down and also encouraging - corporations - to come up with models that can run on user hardware. So what are you ranting against?! > Own nothing and be happy. Ah, here it is. Only governments can confiscate our property and force us into that. Governments and politicians that keep telling us how evil corporations are… |
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| ▲ | harvey9 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | In the digital age corporations can and do confiscate things we thought we owned. Amazon removing paid-for kindle books, devices getting bricked, paying a recurring fee to use some features in your car. | |
| ▲ | hn_throw2025 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The “own nothing and be happy” quote is from a blog post made by the World Economic Forum. I find meta-governmental organisations even more troublesome, and you can’t vote them out. It isn’t only conspiracy theorists who should be disturbed by whatever politico-corporate freemasonry that goes on in Davos. | |
| ▲ | bluefirebrand 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Only governments can confiscate our property and force us into that. ... Do you want corporations to have that power too or something? What are you saying here? |
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| ▲ | mannanj 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| You sound like a useless-eater manager. Just the kind of roles we'll be happy to have in our future Utopia. The people will be happy to be led by such visionaries such as yourself. |
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| ▲ | teachrdan 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Hey, I'm pretty sure the person you're replying to is being satirical, and you're both in alignment on this one. | | |
| ▲ | mannanj 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | We were both being satirical. Seems like people couldn't seem to attribute me the same generosity and benefit of the doubt as the OP. Funny and yet the starkness of the hostility onto my post and not his is real. |
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