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getnormality 5 hours ago

Well, yeah. If I went straight to the press to trash the reputation of my client's product, rather than communicating internally first to help them proactively address the issues, I would expect to get fired.

Not that I am remotely interested in defending Meta, or optimistic that they would proactively address privacy issues. But I don't feel that sympathetic to the outsourcing company here either.

I don't know what happened behind the scenes. I'm just going off what is said and not said in the article. If I were whistleblowing about something like this, I would take pains to describe what measures I took internally before going public. I didn't see any of that here.

EDIT: Look, to be clear, I think it's bad that naive or uninformed people are buying video recorders from Meta and unintentionally having their private lives intruded on by a company that, based on its history, clearly can't be trusted to be a helpful, transparent partner to customers on privacy. I think it's good that the media is giving people a reminder of this. I think it's good that the sources said something, even though the consequences they suffered seem inevitable. But to me, there is nothing essentially new to be learned here, and I don't know what can or should be done to improve the situation. I think for now, the best thing for people to do is not buy Meta hardware if they have any desire for privacy. Maybe there are laws that could help, but what should be in the laws exactly? It's not obvious to me what would work. I suspect that some of the reason people buy these products is for data capture, and that will sometimes lead to sensitive stuff being recorded. What should the rules be around this and who should decide? Personally I don't know.

elphinstone 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

What makes you think the outsourcing firm didn't raise these concerns in email or meetings? You think these people wanted to lose jobs and income? That's irrational.

Why reflexively defend a massive tech corporation caught repeatedly violating the law?

Tangurena2 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> Why reflexively defend a massive tech corporation caught repeatedly violating the law?

Because it is the natural expansion of the quote attributed to Upton Sinclair:

> Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires

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giraffe_lady 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There are transgressions severe enough that your duty to stop them is heavier than your responsibility to "the reputation of your client's product." Amazing this needs to be stated, frankly.

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noir_lord 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Beautifully and succinctly put.

ImPostingOnHN 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You would help conceal a crime against the people just because it's good business??

Congratulations, you have a bright future in politics and/or tech CEOing.

Bridged7756 2 hours ago | parent [-]

More like a bright future being someone's fall guy. The ignorance to think that a large tech giant like Facebook would give a crap about any of those concerns makes this person too politically inept to make it anywhere

OutOfHere 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Proactively address the issues? Are you kidding me? This is not an issue that just happened to slip by; it is 100% by design. You're fooling no one.

getnormality 4 hours ago | parent [-]

What specifically do you mean? It is by design that smart glasses see the things happening in front of their users? Yes, it is. That is why people buy them.

OutOfHere 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Huh. There you go again, thinking everyone else is an idiot. Capture of video data of users by Meta is never acceptable. It would not be acceptable for any phone, and it is not acceptable for any glass, ever.

fibonacci_man 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Saving the data for any purpose other than allowing users to access it is bad enough; allowing Meta employees or contractors to view personal videos is on a whole new level.

getnormality 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I don't know why people buy smart glasses. Maybe they buy them for video capture. If so, the videos go to Meta's servers and Meta might do things with them. They might be criticized for not reviewing them in certain cases. That's one reason why I wouldn't buy Meta smart glasses.

3form 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If only we had the technology to record video without sending it to Meta's servers.

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expedition32 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Main character syndrome? Lots of people seem to act like they are in a 24/7 live stream with 50 million followers.

ImPostingOnHN 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The main issue here is Facebook employees viewing users' private video streams (including of user nudity) without the users' knowledge.

The secondary issue is that it's generally frowned upon to make your employees view nudity in the workplace. Are there extenuating circumstances here? No, we have no evidence there are any extenuating circumstances here.