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Arabs dont have equal standing and treatment in israel. Also, Israel is increasingly far right and best estimate is less rights in the future.

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perpetualpear 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There are 2 million muslim, mostly arab, citizens who are officially and legally equal to jews. They are distinct from the arabs in Gaza or the west bank, who are not citizens.

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ceejayoz 13 hours ago | parent [-]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_Penalty_for_Terrorists_L...

> The law imposes the death penalty on persons convicted of fatal terrorist attacks. In military courts, the death penalty is the "default"; only Palestinians are tried. In civilian courts, both Israelis and Palestinians are tried, but the law applies only to those who "'intentionally cause the death of a person with the aim of denying the existence of the State of Israel'—a definition designed to exclude Jewish terrorists". It therefore "effectively enshrines capital punishment for Palestinians alone".

And to preempt the "but that's Palestinians, not Israeli Arabs" bit, nope:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terms_for_Palestinian_citizens...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel lists all sorts of other smaller inequities:

> In 2005, the Follow-Up Committee for Arab Education said that the Israeli government spent an average of $192 a year on Arab students compared to $1,100 for Jewish students.

> In the 2002 budget, Israel's health ministry allocated Arab communities less than 1% of its 277 m-shekel (£35m) budget (1.6 m shekels {£200,000}) to develop healthcare facilities.

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perpetualpear 12 hours ago | parent [-]

I don't think I implied they are not discriminated. But they do, generally, enjoy the same rights. I just thought to correct what I perceive as factually incorrect.

	▲	ceejayoz 12 hours ago \| parent [-]
		These are explicit government actions, not random civilians doing discrimination.

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nkmnz 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I agree that we should hold Israel to highest standards (which are, unfortunately, eroded especially by the US, these days).

Nevertheless, you should always ask yourselves: would you prefer being an gay Arab in Tel Aviv or a gay Jew in Gaza?

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cma 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If they join a religion that isn't on the state approved list, they can't get married there and hard or extra expensive to get buried. There are some limits on religious freedom.

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dlubarov 17 hours ago | parent | next [-]

They can just get married abroad. There are even online ceremonies now.

A decent number of Israeli Jews have to do that as well, since Israel recognizes Jewish marriages only under orthodox rabbis. Some Israeli Jews are not even considered Jews under strict orthodox rules.

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cma 14 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> They can just get married abroad.

They don't have to if they are one of the approved religions. That's a restriction on religious freedom.

> since Israel recognizes Jewish marriages only under orthodox rabbis

I don't get how is this evidence of religious freedom.

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wolvoleo 13 hours ago | parent [-]

And religion and marriage really shouldn't have anything to do with one another. Atheists can marry too.

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nkmnz 13 hours ago | parent [-]

They can. It’s called a civil union. Complaining about marriage laws in Israel in this uninformed way is just an antisemite dog whistle.

	▲	wolvoleo 10 hours ago \| parent [-]
		A civil union is not the same as a marriage. And I'm not just talking about Israel.

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IAmBroom 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

So, not a religiously free state, as OP said.

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nkmnz 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That’s a lie. You can form a civil union, which is very similar to the religious marriage. On the other hand, does Hamas recognise a Jewish marriage?

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ceejayoz 13 hours ago | parent [-]

> You can form a civil union, which is very similar to the religious marriage.

Yeah, we tried "separate but equal" here too.

> On the other hand, does Hamas recognise a Jewish marriage?

Being the good guys is about more than being "second worst".

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nkmnz 13 hours ago | parent [-]

You might be surprised, but a civil union is the only legally binding form of marriage in many countries, e.g. Germany. The Churches - even though they are state churches - aren’t even allowed to provide a wedding ceremony if the civil union hasn’t been performed beforehand. Which different legal provisions do you think make the „religious marriage“ vs. „civil union“ morally equal to „separate but equal“?

> Being the good guys is about more than being "second worst".

If you cannot think about any group that’s not as bad as Hamas, but worse than Israel, I‘m happy to help… just ask!

	▲	ceejayoz 13 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> You might be surprised, but a civil union is the only legally binding form of marriage in many countries, e.g. Germany. That's great. That's not Israel's setup. > If you cannot think about any group that’s not as bad as Hamas, but worse than Israel, I‘m happy to help… just ask! "Others are worse" is not the moral standard one should aspire to, either.