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rglullis 2 days ago

Isn't that the same to every major superpower?

scrollop 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Whatbaoutism at it's finest.

Have a peek at the fredom indx and the press freedom index for China. Guess where they stand?

You know about the chinese internet firewall.

You can't trust any data from the CCP.

And please don't equate the aberration that is the Trump administration with "regular" US administrations (and this is coming from a non US person).

rglullis 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

People in China live under totalitarian rule, that much is true.

But how free is the average North American, where getting sick can bring you and your family financial ruin? Where the "free press" is controlled by corporations who are also the main source of campaign funding for politicians? Where their urban spaces are designed to require you to have a car and promote complete atomized individuals?

hajile 2 days ago | parent [-]

All these things are from the private sector and may be left behind if you like (do younger generations even listen to corporate news?)

The real issues are government surveillance and it increasingly getting involved in my personal matters, but it’s still more free than any other country I could go to. Look at countries in Europe like the UK without true freedom of press arresting people for mean tweets and giving them years in prison.

rglullis 2 days ago | parent [-]

> All these things are from the private sector

Are they really? All of the cases I listed are consequences of Public Policy, no exceptions.

amunozo 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Regular US administrations that commited war crimes in half the world for decades. But apparently it only matters what they do in the US.

Revanche1367 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Indexes made by Europeans and Americans to congratulate themselves are not reliable.

culi 2 days ago | parent [-]

Exactly. Even if you don't buy into western biases, it's heavily reliant on subjective perception surveys. Hardly proof of anything

MiiMe19 a day ago | parent [-]

We can talk about all this stuff on an American form, but good luck talking about any of China's issues on a Chinese Forum. Lets not talk about how China regularly kills Catholic priests and bishops. Anyone who tries to glaze China is a propagandized fool.

rhubarbtree 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You’re right, for now, but I think trump will try to turn America into a dictatorship.

_blk 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

..you forgot to mention that any technology in China, foreign or domestic, can and will be used for and to the benefit of the -military- party.. But like someone posted: "not perfect" fits the bill.

Check out the Sean Ryan Show with Palmer Luckey on China and military tech.

wookmaster 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Ok? The same can be said about the US

Thlom 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Same goes for every country on earth?

FuckButtons 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

No. There is no moral equivalence with totalitarianism.

ywvcbk 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Modern China isn't exactly totalitarian though and US is rapidly converging with China in that regard anyway.

bwv848 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

How totalitarian is exactly totalitarian? I asked chatgpt and it gave few points

- Control goes beyond politics

- A single, all-encompassing ideology

- No meaningful private sphere

- Mass mobilization and propaganda

- Extensive surveillance and repression

Seems like China is ticking all the boxes.

DiogenesKynikos 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

> No meaningful private sphere

Have you ever been to China? Everyone has their own private lives. It's no different than any other country in that respect.

In China, you rarely interact with the government in daily life. Most people are just living their lives.

drcongo 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Honestly thought you were listing traits that the US has now till the last line.

MetaWhirledPeas 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

You forgot

- No freedom of religion

odiroot 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Just as long as you don't openly mention the "three Ts".

Hamuko 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Which are the current nontotalitarian superpowers?

vrganj 2 days ago | parent [-]

EU

DiogenesKynikos 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

China is not totalitarian. Many people believe that China is still like 1950s-60s-era Maoist China, but it's just not.

FuckButtons 2 days ago | parent [-]

tiananmen square was in 1989. Hong Kong was snuffed out like a light. Covid saw people caged and sealed in their houses. You do not need to look back at the cultural revolution to see the prc for what it is.

e4325f 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

and the Kent State shootings were in 1970.

Being self-righteous and a yank doesn't make sense, country of war mongers, something that cant be said of China.

DiogenesKynikos 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Is your contention that Hong Kong is also a totalitarian society? Have you been to Hong Kong in the last 5 years? I feel like people saying these sorts of things are just completely divorced from reality.

> Covid saw people caged and sealed in their houses.

No. There were a few incidents very early on, when everyone was (quite understandably) panicking about a new, deadly virus that nobody had ever seen before, when some local city officials barred the doors of people who had just come from Wuhan. That was a scandal inside China, and it was immediately reversed.

What China did do quite extensively was border quarantine, and during localized outbreaks (caused by cases that slipped through quarantine at the border), mass testing and quarantine measures. This was during a once-in-a-generation pandemic that killed millions of people. In China, these measures saved several million lives. The estimates are that China's overall death rate was about 25% that of the US, and these measures are the reason. By the way, Taiwan and Australia took nearly identical measures, and I very much doubt that you would call them totalitarian societies.

mysecretaccount 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> Hong Kong was snuffed out like a light.

I'm in Hong Kong right now. Seems like it is still here to me.

NicoJuicy 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

That's also the current US administration.

Luckily laws still stand somewhat.

( And Trump ain't smart enough)

fragmede 2 days ago | parent [-]

Trump's smarter than he lets on. He plays the buffoon in public, but he's smart enough to have gotten elected twice. Which is two times more than I've managed to.

NicoJuicy a day ago | parent | next [-]

Based on what is he smart? Every objective datapoint says he's an idiot that fails upwards.

The only thing he was successful in, was literally exaggerating and overselling his capabilities ( eg. He directed the apprentice, it's fake)

ziml77 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

You don't have to be smart to be elected. You have to be a good liar. And it's really easy to be a good liar when you have gotten so deep into bullshitting that you believe your own lies.

Also, being useful to the right people helps. Because they will dump their own money and time into bolstering your campaign.