| ▲ | john_strinlai 19 hours ago |
| >Dr. Larry Poland, president of the non-denominational Miami Bible College, contacted NASA and President Richard Nixon to complain about the profuse profanity from the Apollo 10 crew, demanding they apologize for their behavior. despite my best efforts, i have never been able to understand why or how swear words are inherently offensive. it just does not click with me. a request like this just seems absolutely ridiculous (especially given the context the offending words were said). |
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| ▲ | GolfPopper 19 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| IF YOU SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THE EARLY INTERNET MAYBE THIS WILL HELP YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE WHO DISLIKE SWEARING EXPERIENCE WHEN THEY HEAR PROFANITY Now, why they react that way is a lot more complicated... Much like why I and many others find the above almost physically painful. My own personal take is that avoiding swearing in public, like avoiding all caps in the Internet, is a matter of courtesy and respect for others. And while I find the discussion of why interesting, ultimately I believe that respect for oneself and others (something I have watched diminish for decades) is a good thing, and ought to be practiced. It's... being a good citizen and fellow human being, I guess. |
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| ▲ | john_strinlai 19 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | >Now, why they react that way is a lot more complicated... my comment is entirely about not understanding the why. | | |
| ▲ | GolfPopper 18 hours ago | parent [-] | | You also said, it "just seems absolutely ridiculous". There are at least two elements to the answer. One is that people are bothered by it the same way they are by anything painful, disgusting, or damaging. I think that part is clear and not in the least "ridiculous", and is what I was trying to address. The other gets deeper into thought, language, and human interaction than I can address via a couple spare moments and a phone screen. |
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| ▲ | kelseyfrog 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I simply choose not to be upset by it. Why give someone else that power? | | |
| ▲ | balamatom 19 hours ago | parent [-] | | To answer literally - and cryptically - how did Skinner get the rats to enter the boxes in the first place? | | |
| ▲ | kelseyfrog 19 hours ago | parent [-] | | To answer stoically, "You have power over your mind - not outside events. Realize this and you will find strength." - Marcus Aurelius | | |
| ▲ | balamatom 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | And Skinner's pigeons probably even believed their minds have power over random outside events! |
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| ▲ | ndiddy 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL | |
| ▲ | johnmaguire 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Bless you |
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| ▲ | maybewhenthesun 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The linguistics of swearwords are interesting I think. They need to be taboo or they don't work. A certain amount of offensiveness is needed for their function. I think swearwords are very useful. Both when used of emphasis, comedy or (their original use) venting frustation or pain. And they have secondary uses as well. When someone swears a lot in inappropriate situations you can tell they are generally inconsiderate persons. And when somebody gets very upset by swearwords you know they are probably overly religious. For both things it's nice the be forewarned ;-P |
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| ▲ | dlcarrier 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If you ever get a chance to talk to a linguist, ask about pejoration, melioration, and the euphemism treadmill. It really is interesting how we convey culture through not only what we say, but what we don't say. In especially elite circles, the rate that words go in and out of fashion can be astounding, and using even a newly pejorated word can get someone instantly and permanently rejected by the group. |
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| ▲ | 3form 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The offensiveness of many comes from the original intention of the word, which was generally some sort of a condemnation of another person (or perhaps sometimes some other taboo). To repeat it is to repeat some of that original intent, at least at times... But I think now a simple "fuck" has all but lost that meaning, and I would say it's not really inherently offensive. And well placed, sparingly used, it can be a good way to extend your range of emotional expression. Well, as long as it's not at cost of everything else. |
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| ▲ | em-bee 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| i am not offended by swearwords, i am annoyed by them. it makes absolutely no sense to me to use a term that suggests sexual intercourse to describe anything else but that act. likewise it makes no sense that someone is told to have said sexual intercourse as a way of suffering. not only because there should be no connection, but also because the whole idea that sexual intercourse is something you should suffer from is completely alien to me and also demonstrates a very skewed view on what it is supposed to be about. it proliferates the idea that sexual intercourse is something bad. i understand that the use of that word in that context should be seen as completely disconnected, but that only works if the original meaning is no longer in use. like the original meaning of the word gay. using gay as a swearword annoys me just as much. and it hurts the people who identify themselves as such. if you want to use swearwords, use those that are objectively bad in all variants of their meaning. like shit. but here we have the reverse problem. shit is good: https://youtu.be/igh9iO5BxBo so maybe we can find new terms that we all can agree on are bad, like SUV-driver ;-) |
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| ▲ | wat10000 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| A significant chunk of the population thinks they'll get tortured for eternity if they do it too much, and finds it distressing to be exposed to it as a result. |
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| ▲ | john_strinlai 19 hours ago | parent [-] | | perhaps obviously, i am not and never have been religious. your comment brings up a point that i have never really thought about: why is it mostly religious people that are against swearing? does the bible or any religious text specifically call out swearing (beyond taking their gods name in vain, which i can understand avoiding if you are religious)? | | |
| ▲ | HWR_14 19 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Many religious texts have broader restrictions on word usage than just their deity's name in vain. Usually those are adjacent to other aspects of the religion. I am not aware of any that would forbid what we would commonly call swear words. | |
| ▲ | SpicyLemonZest 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | There's a number of verses in the New Testament which arguably instruct people not to swear. Colossians 3:8 is probably most on point, although as with all cross-cultural comparisons of foul language, it's hard to know exactly what a Greek speaker 2000 years ago would have understood αἰσχρολογία to mean in the context of modern English. | |
| ▲ | darksaints 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's the same motivation as racists: they need some way to feel superior to the people that they despise. If the entire world stopped swearing today, these people would just find something else to use in their supremacist proxy wars. |
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| ▲ | Kenji 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
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| ▲ | darksaints 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| They're not inherently offensive. They're vulgar, but that isn't the same thing as offensive. Vulgarity is nothing more than a classist concept anyway. This is just another case of religious extremists making everything in this world worse for everyone else. |
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| ▲ | mholt 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Using profanity indicates a weak vocabulary. A lack of discipline. A degree of unrefinement unbecoming of astronauts representing the "best" of humanity and their country. Depending on the type of profanity it can divide societies by reinforcing social schisms/prejudices. Such words typically cluster around areas of cultural discomfort such as religion, sex, and hygiene, causing polarizing emotional reactions. It's biological as well as cultural. Seems like the "best and bravest humanity has to offer" can probably represent a little better than that for one of the most significant feats of history. |
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| ▲ | carefree-bob 19 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | If you think astronauts are supposed to be "the best of humanity" then you are going to be dissapointed. Astronauts are chosen because they can withstand high G forces and keep cool under pressure. It is very similar to how race car drivers are chosen. No one believes formula 1 drivers are "the best of humanity". And I wouldn't care if astronaut cursed anymore than if a formula 1 driver did. | | |
| ▲ | ASalazarMX 19 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I'd argue they're precisely the best humannity has to offer for that use case. And even car racers avoid swearing in public. | | |
| ▲ | elijaht 19 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > And even car racers avoid swearing in public. That’s absolutely not true. Watch any F1 race and within the first few minutes you will hear a censored drivers radio. IIRC F1 tried to penalize drivers who swore too much on the radio and faced massive backlash from the drivers | |
| ▲ | carefree-bob 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I think we should cut the astronauts a break. If I can swear while driving to a coffee shop, they should be able to swear when orbiting the moon. |
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| ▲ | frrlpp 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | That's a moral frame were you belong. In mine, swearing does not preclude someone to be the best human because her swearing. |
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| ▲ | RealityVoid 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Using profanity indicates a weak vocabulary. A lack of discipline. A degree of unrefinement unbecoming Says you. I think not swearing obviously indicates a weaker vocabulary since there's a lot of things you can't or won't say. Of course, swear words can be offensive if you're their target, and I don't really enjoy that side. But they are _very_ effective in communicating frustration, anger, surprise. I think using them brings a bit of spice to life and a well placed "Fuck!" can feel extremely cathartic and... dare I say... pleasant. | |
| ▲ | dspillett 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Using profanity indicates a weak vocabulary. A lack of discipline. Lack of discipline, maybe. Though that is subjective. Weak vocabulary, no, that is objectively not true unless someone is repeatedly using a small number of profanities (i.e. someone who uses the F/C bombs and the N & R words, for instance). Studies of online communications have shown the people who use a range of profanity also have a wider vocabulary more generally, wider on average even than those who were not seen to use profanities at all. Of course this still has some subjective judgement involved: the studies had to define what was considered profane, and may have missed many words only considered bad in a minority of places. I'm not sure what the studies did, if anything, to account for people speaking the target language as a second that they are not fluent in. These could be important factors in correctly defining the “doesn't use them” set. > It's biological as well as cultural. Only because there is a biological component to the reaction to the words, which is trained by culture. This could be a programmed disgust reaction, an amused one (a small rush of relevant endorphins), or a fear reaction (where the word is a slur that is often followed by further problems like the threat of physical violence). The closest we come to a truly biological reaction might be words associated with excreta and so forth, the things they can describe carrying a biological risk, but even that is culturally informed (you aren't born knowing that shit means a form of feculence, or that feculence is considered a more polite way to describe something dirty to the point of being unsafe). | |
| ▲ | loloquwowndueo 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Sorry, using Sacré Quebecois or Mexican albures is a total art form which requires extensive knowledge and creativity. Nothing further from “a weak vocabulary”. | |
| ▲ | john_strinlai 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >Using profanity indicates a weak vocabulary. A lack of discipline. this is just made up, though. not a lick of scientific backing to it. | | | |
| ▲ | foresto 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Using profanity indicates a weak vocabulary. What a bizarre leap of logic. I wonder what disparaging others for using profanity indicates. | |
| ▲ | mathisfun123 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Using profanity indicates a weak vocabulary i'll bet you $1000 my vocab is wider, deeper, and more sophisticated than yours despite my profuse use of profanity. interested? happily able to provide various standardized tests (SAT/GRE/LSAT/etc.) and/or your preferred method (wordle/crossword/etc.). | |
| ▲ | estimator7292 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | That's just regurgitating the same Puritannical bullshit that's been infecting American society for the past hundred years or so. Humans curse sometimes. That's what happens to real people in the real world. Astronauts are not some kind of pure, unspoiled demigods. They're regular-ass humans who say things like shit and fuck. Just like approximately everyone else does. I'd rather the best and brightest among us admit that they're real people just like everyone else than put on a show to protect the delicate sensibilities of a very small number of people who clutch pearls and scream when someone nearby says a "bad word". Astronauts are people. They have genitals, they walk around nude sometimes. They shit, piss, and fuck just like you and me. You want to deify and make them into false idols for some reason. That is a fundamentally bad and wrong thing to do, and you can directly quote many/most religions on that one. |
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