| ▲ | everdrive 12 hours ago |
| Per Blaise Pascal, no they cannot: “All of humanity’s problems stem from man’s inability to sit quietly in a room alone.” We need to keep growing, building, making, taking. Some people seem to really love the bustle and creative destruction. I'm in my 40s, and I've always hated it. When I was a child, I wondered if when I grew up, I would fit naturally into the world the way that so many others seemed to. The answer was no. I don't know why people need to be the way they are. I don't feel comfortable in so many normal situations. The things that bother the animals bother me too, but for most people this is unthinkable in the same way that other modes of thought are unthinkable. (eg, when someone who thinks mostly in words learns that some people think only in pictures) |
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| ▲ | Tade0 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| You would absolutely love Switzerland. Many things surprised me there, but it's the relative quiteness that did it the most. Trains arriving like massive ghosts, cars obeying the speed limit and not a single soul gunning it from the intersection. Meanwhile back home every night I can hear all kinds of "motoring enthusiasts" abusing their machines so that they won't hear their intrusive thoughts or something. It feels like a zoo in comparison. |
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| ▲ | sentrysapper 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | I experienced this in Japan and Korea as well. There are of course, neighborhoods where noise is tolerated but while I was there I noticed most commuters whisper conversations on their phone. The thought of blasting a call or music on speakerphone is unconscionable. |
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| ▲ | SamHenryCliff 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Case in point: Marc Andreeson denigrating introspection not only in his own life, but extrapolating that to the population at large. As Dr, Jung noted, healing happens in solitude. That’s one of the reasons that Alcoholics Anonymous really didn’t help me much. Sitting around broken people isn’t going to magically cause a “spiritual awakening” but in a few, nearly statistically negligible instances. Turning off Social Media from 10pm to 8am local time would be a great start toward the recovery of human interaction sabotaged by COVID. To put it another way, Grocery Stores which supply life sustaining nutrition are not typically open 24 hours. Comparatively speaking they are more “Good” than social media. As such, rein in the latter rather than expand the former (Wal-Mart finding open 24 hours isn’t worth it is an economic proof of concept here) and we can improve our collective ability to make progress. |
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| ▲ | dang 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Where did Jung say that healing happens in solitude? Do you happen to remember where you heard/read this? | | |
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| ▲ | ofrzeta 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You are not alone. |
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| ▲ | oblio 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Nice philosophising, but it's vehicles. Primarily cars, but not only. By far the most common and the loudest source of noise, especially in cities, are vehicles, again, primarily cars. During the pandemic it became painfully obvious how loud cars are. Every time a city closes down streets, the same thing can be noticed. It can be shocking to some, but even the most crowded places on the planet are quite silent when vehicles aren't around. There are some minor exceptions like concerts (duh!) or other huge public gatherings where the noise is the point. It's going to take a really long time to heal this wound. |
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| ▲ | dec0dedab0de 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Nice philosophising, but it's vehicles. Primarily cars, but not only. Around here cars are more common, but quiet enough that I rarely notice. Trucks, motorcycles, quads, trains, and boats are all significantly noisier. | |
| ▲ | pandaman 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I don't know where you live, but I have lived in a few cities in the US and cars don't make much noise by themselves, other than people turning music up inside the cars. Car music, in turn, is eclipsed by people turning up music from their homes, which is outpaced by people just screaming on the streets or inside venues. | |
| ▲ | ButlerianJihad 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I live in an apartment that's sandwiched between a freight train line and a light rail track that is on a 6-lane stroad. The noise from all of that is highly filtered and attenuated, and I consider it calming and soothing (90% of the time anyway.) Most of my life I've used public transit, but I've also been a motorist and a vehicle owner. Looking back on my long rides on the train and bus, I began to miss them, because they are (70% of the time) an opportunity for stillness, solitude, and contemplation. I can be alone with God and the angels and I don't need to stress about driving or traffic or navigating anything but my own mindscape. Riding around in taxis more often these days, it really puts on pressure and a rush. The taxis arrive way way faster than any bus. They put me on someone else's schedule when they arrive to pick me up and rush me somewhere, going at or above every speed limit. If there is a human driver, then there is some forced, awkward social interaction, and sometimes an incipient scam as a bonus! It is why a lot of urban people take up walking, even getting a pet dog as an excuse to go walking on the regular, because walking is likewise low-stress, an opportunity for solitude and contemplation. I like white noise and I like background noise. I can be alone in a busy nightclub or restaurant where there is pleasant, amiable background chatter of many people and instrumental music. I have slept inside elevators and on park benches outdoors. I also enjoy libraries, which are not always temples of silence, but at least calm and relaxing atmospheres conducive to thinking and studying. Yeah, radio and TV can really get to me sometimes. The speech pressures and high-anxiety of capitalist swine trying to shove words into my ears, it hurts. More often I find myself seeking out Jesus in a silent Adoration chapel. It's become the best way to simply listen and open myself up to the numinous. | |
| ▲ | Tade0 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > By far the most common and the loudest source of noise, especially in cities, are vehicles, again, primarily cars. Hugely depends on the city. Where I live it's the cargo trains and airliners. Congestion is too severe for anyone to make significant noise, unless they have modified/dysfunctional exhausts or particularly large engines. | | |
| ▲ | oblio 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | True, but the radius affected by airliners is generally much smaller. Once they're higher than a few thousand meters, you can't really hear them any more. Cargo trains, I imagine it's similar. > Congestion is too severe for anyone to make significant noise, unless they have modified/dysfunctional exhausts or particularly large engines. Large numbers of cars idling make enough noise to basically rival human conversations at regular speech levels. Anything above that (usually anything higher than 30kmph) makes it even worse. I'm not sure it's exponential, but I think it increases supra-linearly afterwards. |
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| ▲ | duskdozer 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Even quite a distance away I hear constant noise from a highway. It's a bit surprising too just how loud and for how long you can hear the cars and motorcycles they mod to be even louder, even through walls and windows. |
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| ▲ | BLKNSLVR 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I'd like to say that there may be some human cultures that are / were generally respectful to their environment and the animals therein, but it's hard to say how much that was an 'enforced' position based on their level of technological evolution. I think it's a fundamental rule that the 'rape and pillage' types will always overrun the non-'rape and pillage' types. Much in the same way the sociopaths are able to climb the corporate ladder with relative ease. The nature of nature, seemingly. |
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| ▲ | 6LLvveMx2koXfwn 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Ecuador has Rights of Nature articles incorporated into their 2008 Constitution [1] effecting national decision making in investment and development. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rights_of_nature_in_Ecuador | | |
| ▲ | rob74 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yes - the current conservative president organized a referendum which would have allowed him to change it, but it got rejected: https://constitutionnet.org/news/voices/peoples-verdict-why-... > in the months leading up to the referendum, the government and several pro-government public figures and political commentators openly criticized the 2008 Constitution, particularly its recognition of Nature as a subject of rights, emphasizing that no other constitution in the world contains such a provision. |
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| ▲ | andai 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | As a kid I remember wondering why all the countries that exist seem to be jerks. Why aren't there any nice countries? Then I thought about it for another 5 seconds and it made a lot more sense. | | |
| ▲ | Pay08 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'd very much hesitate characterising countries as a whole. | | |
| ▲ | andai 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | No I mean if you set up a simulation where there's a bunch of entities who are chill and a bunch of entities who are not chill, and then you run the simulation... Wait a minute, that rings a bell! https://ncase.me/trust/ | | |
| ▲ | BobaFloutist 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Cooperation usually beats out competition though. Which is why for all that things look bad right now, alliances of at least modestly liberal countries have handily dominated and out-competed most autocracies. And the autocracies that have thrived have mostly done so by liberalizing, at least a little. | |
| ▲ | BLKNSLVR 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | That game / simulation is fantastic. Thanks for sharing, I'm gonna pass it on at work. More than fantastic, it's beautiful. | |
| ▲ | Pay08 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | By that logic, every single human should be a psychopath by now. | | |
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| ▲ | maccard 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Machiavelli nailed this 500 years ago in the prince. If one person always plays by the rules, they will lose to the group who ignore the rules, |
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