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BLKNSLVR 12 hours ago

I'd like to say that there may be some human cultures that are / were generally respectful to their environment and the animals therein, but it's hard to say how much that was an 'enforced' position based on their level of technological evolution.

I think it's a fundamental rule that the 'rape and pillage' types will always overrun the non-'rape and pillage' types. Much in the same way the sociopaths are able to climb the corporate ladder with relative ease. The nature of nature, seemingly.

6LLvveMx2koXfwn 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Ecuador has Rights of Nature articles incorporated into their 2008 Constitution [1] effecting national decision making in investment and development.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rights_of_nature_in_Ecuador

rob74 11 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes - the current conservative president organized a referendum which would have allowed him to change it, but it got rejected:

https://constitutionnet.org/news/voices/peoples-verdict-why-...

> in the months leading up to the referendum, the government and several pro-government public figures and political commentators openly criticized the 2008 Constitution, particularly its recognition of Nature as a subject of rights, emphasizing that no other constitution in the world contains such a provision.

andai 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

As a kid I remember wondering why all the countries that exist seem to be jerks. Why aren't there any nice countries? Then I thought about it for another 5 seconds and it made a lot more sense.

Pay08 12 hours ago | parent [-]

I'd very much hesitate characterising countries as a whole.

andai 12 hours ago | parent [-]

No I mean if you set up a simulation where there's a bunch of entities who are chill and a bunch of entities who are not chill, and then you run the simulation...

Wait a minute, that rings a bell!

https://ncase.me/trust/

BobaFloutist 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Cooperation usually beats out competition though. Which is why for all that things look bad right now, alliances of at least modestly liberal countries have handily dominated and out-competed most autocracies. And the autocracies that have thrived have mostly done so by liberalizing, at least a little.

BLKNSLVR 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That game / simulation is fantastic. Thanks for sharing, I'm gonna pass it on at work.

More than fantastic, it's beautiful.

Pay08 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

By that logic, every single human should be a psychopath by now.

BLKNSLVR 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think that's far from true, going by the simulation game thingy.

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maccard 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Machiavelli nailed this 500 years ago in the prince. If one person always plays by the rules, they will lose to the group who ignore the rules,