| ▲ | rigonkulous 9 hours ago |
| I am an active and enthusiastic recordist and have decades of stuff I've accumulated over the years. One of the concerts I captured in the 90's, lives on as a bootleg which I often see around the scene of this one particularly great live electronic dance band, whose punters have created true value out of the hour and a half of live concert input I managed to record, standing right there front stage and center, with the band looking right at me. It was a hilarious experience - I expected to get booted out pretty fast, so I held my ground as still as I could, DAT-tape rolling by, shotgun mike held in front of me like it was just normal, as if I belonged there. The lead singer caught my eye and gave me a wide grin. I survived the concert, it was awesome, but boy was I relieved to have made it home with that DAT - which I of course, proceeded to digitize with my brand new spdf/io .. The next year the band (who are big and famous, btw) were in the same city and I happened to be around, I got invited backstage to meet the band, participate in a bit of nerdery regarding their live setup and gear and so on, and talk about that recording I'd made. I'd put it out as a pure bootleg, no questions asked. Turns out they'd heard it and enjoyed it and came to appreciate the nature of their bootleggers, as avid fans who gave the band themselves something extra to think about in what was then, a burgeoning digital/online universe about to explode. So, seeing it around, almost 30 years now .. here and there, again and again .. is quite hilarious. Youtube often recommends it to me in my playlist, its just there. And at a certain spot in the recording, I tell my mate to stop standing so close to me (he was blocking the shottie), and prepare for my ass getting bounced - which never happened, thankfully. So yeah, I just wanna say, if you personally have the desire to be a recordist, and have a pure purpose in it, I'd say just freakin' go for it. Record All The Things. Its good for the Artists, yo. And also their fans. (Its how we get rid of the managers, cough cough..) |
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| ▲ | tyrust 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Great story, but how are you going to say all that but not link to the recording? |
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| ▲ | wahern 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's still technically illegal. And I wouldn't be surprised if there's a tacit Don't Ask, Don't Tell understanding in the community between artists and recorders. Even when individual recorders are known by the community and artists, keeping the pretense of anonymity might be important to preserving and protecting the scene. | | |
| ▲ | switz an hour ago | parent [-] | | It's really up to the artists. Many are surprisingly cool with it, though there are a few notable exceptions (i.e. Prince). Sounds like the artist in this particlar case gave their blessing. Many bands (like GD and Phish) specifically note in their rider that venues must allow and provide space for tapers to bring their rigs in. A sibling comment in this thread pointed out my project Relisten[0], which now has over 4,000 bands who have given explicit permission for people to tape, record, and share their concerts non-commercially. We've been operating our FOSS platform for 12 years, and most of the audio is hosted by Archive.org. I can't tell you how many bands have begged us to add them to our platform. [0] https://relisten.net (https://github.com/RelistenNet) (The 4,000 number will be coming to web soon - it's available today on our mobile apps) |
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| ▲ | mistersquid 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [dead] |
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| ▲ | 999900000999 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| We shouldn’t need the managers, but the record industry does everything it can to consolidate everything. However, I do notice that for more uncommon music, the record industry sort it just looks the other way. For example Eminem has tons of really old music on YouTube that I’m sure his lawyers could figure out how to get taken down. But it just stays up. I would really like music copyright to change within my lifetime. It should realistically be 30 years from first release, and after that it should go straight to the public domain. By then everyone’s made their money. Even Elvis won’t be public domain until like 2050 or 2060. I don’t really think he needs the money right now. |
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| ▲ | volkl48 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > However, I do notice that for more uncommon music, the record industry sort it just looks the other way. For example Eminem has tons of really old music on YouTube that I’m sure his lawyers could figure out how to get taken down. But it just stays up. Or artists that have seen the merit in tolerating it/somewhat encouraging it. I'm a pretty hardcore Nine Inch Nails fan (seen >30 shows). NINLive.com is a fantastic (unofficial) archive for our community. Close to 2k individual recordings, about 3/4 of all shows they've ever played have at least one recording. NIN's camp is fully aware, the guy who runs the site has gotten invited to meet the band before. (And NIN has tossed unedited pro-shot tour footage to the fans before to play with, as well as things like directly linking to a fan-compiled concert film for another tour on their own home page). | | |
| ▲ | ssl-3 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | I got invited to see a NIN show recently, which was very kind of them. The process of actually getting in, post-invite, was a bit of a weird experience: Waiting around at the front of the venue, meeting some of his PR folks, walking all the way around the outside to go in the back door to get escorted in. At one point we were given some armbands so we could do what we wanted as if we were regular concert-goers and they turned us loose. Anyway, as we were walking around that huge place and chatting, one of them (Marcus?) asked me how I got interested in Nine Inch Nails. And the first thing that came that came out of my mouth was "It is entirely possible that I banned Trent Reznor from IRC 30 years ago." The response was immediate: "Never tell him that." Anyhow, the crew that I met were all a bunch of great folks. Wonderful positivity, fun to talk to. 10/10. --- (Now, you might be wondering why I banned Trent from #nin. That's easy: We banned everyone in that channel who said they were Trent Reznor. There's only one Trent, and these imposters showed up all the time so we did the right thing and got rid of them. Except... I read an interview with him way back then, where he was asked specifically about IRC. His response was something like "Yeah, I tried IRC once and they banned me right away. Those guys are a bunch of dicks." Whoops.) | | | |
| ▲ | leviathant 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | NIN had a messy breakup with their original manager about 15 years into things. Once Trent Reznor emerged as more or less a free agent, he embraced radical approaches to distributing music and other media. The instrumental album "Ghosts I-IV" was released under a Creative Commons BY-NC-SA license, and the music went everywhere - and you can draw a line directly from that choice to the Oscar for the score for The Social Network. Concert photos, wallpapers, and other photos are still up on Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/nineinchnails/albums And the NIN camp utilized Vimeo alongside YouTube: https://vimeo.com/ninofficial Rumor has it that Trent Reznor himself uploaded material to The Pirate Bay, because he didn't like the audio quality of the rips that were already floating around. There are three compilations that appeared, with custom artwork, including at least one exclusive version of a track that hasn't appeared anywhere else. (p.s. wot up volk) | | |
| ▲ | progmetaldev 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I can't remember which album it was, perhaps "With Teeth," or the mentioned "Ghosts I-IV," when Trent Reznor offered the GarageBand files for the album. I thought it was amazing for an artist to offer their work up for people to remix and view, as long as they weren't profiting off of it. I've done the same with my artwork over the years, hoping that someone would come along and collab or "remix" my art into something new and interesting. I don't do promotion, so it hasn't occurred, but the idea was inspired by NIN and I think it's an amazing idea that can really build a community. As an early teen when Broken came out, and I happened to be connected to some people into the 90's emerging industrial scene (not to take away from earlier scenes), NIN has always been a huge inspiration and got me into the grittier side of metal music. | | |
| ▲ | janfoeh 18 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > I've done the same with my artwork over the years, hoping that someone would come along and collab or "remix" my art into something new and interesting. I don't do promotion, so it hasn't occurred, but the idea was inspired by NIN and I think it's an amazing idea that can really build a community. You know, right this second I am listening to a MIDI recreation of the soundtrack to a very obscure German Atari ST puzzle game from '84. Something somebody recreated where I would be surprised if more than 500 people in the world ever heard the original. Even though you might never learn of it, given the vast number of people out there, it is entirely likely that what you did already touched somebody out there. You do not need to have built a community in order to have done something of significance. |
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| ▲ | volkl48 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Oh hey, I certainly know that username! And you're not going to plug yourself I certainly will: Appreciate your work on the NIN Hotline all these years and everything else you've done/added to the community. > Rumor has it that Trent Reznor himself uploaded material to The Pirate Bay, You'd certainly know better than I would but I feel like I recall Rob Sheridan confirming that in one of his interviews years later (not that there was really any doubt). | |
| ▲ | pimlottc 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Trent also famously mourned the closing of Oink.fm, at one time the world largest largest music torrent tracker https://www.wired.com/2007/10/trent-reznor-on/ |
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| ▲ | tempaccount5050 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I agree mostly but take issue with "not needing managers". As someone who went from split shows to big venues to touring, managers (good ones) are a godsend. Will there be convenient parking? Do they have adequate power? Is the stage big enough? Do we need to book sound? Is there a weather contingency? Where can we sleep? What time is load in? What time is sound check? What form of payment? How will they be advertising? Who do we give promotional materials to? Etc etc. Having someone take care of all this stuff allows us to focus on practicing and recording (which has another long list of questions that need to be addressed). Not to mention networking and venue access. Put all that stuff together and it's a full time job that artists are poorly equipped to handle. | | |
| ▲ | 999900000999 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | I assumed managers in this context, meant the record industry machine. Most bands don’t care if you find a bootleg of a live recording, it’s going to be a very different experience versus an actual album anyway. | | |
| ▲ | tempaccount5050 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | Well that would be legal/contractual stuff you signed with the label. Doesn't have anything to do with managers, which was why I wasn't really sure what parent was saying. |
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| ▲ | euroderf 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > the record industry does everything it can to consolidate everything. Financialization ? Productize, promote, push ? |
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| ▲ | lukan 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| "Record All The Things." Unless you use a crappy smartphone with a bright annoying screen .. |
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| ▲ | TYPE_FASTER 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Somebody whipped out a freakin iPad and started recording video in front of me once. Like wtf |
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| ▲ | brightball 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I talked to a big Grateful Dead fan the other day and he told me that they had special areas setup for anybody who wanted to record. They were happy to let people share. |
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| ▲ | kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 44 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Yep, the tapers section. At some shows you could get a soundboard feed. I was a teenager at the last show I was at, and I always envied thise guys. |
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| ▲ | erickhill 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I loved reading this with the still built-in caginess around all the identifying details. Just in case! |
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| ▲ | jjulius 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| As a huge fan of the type of music you're probably describing, I'd love to know what artist/recording you're referring to here. Surely with the band's blessing and ~30 years of time passed, it'd be okay to divulge... |
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| ▲ | whompyjaw 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| What is a "punter"? |
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| ▲ | nutjob2 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | In this case, an attendee to the concert. More generally someone on the buying/risk side of a transaction. | |
| ▲ | stavros 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Customer/fan/concertgoer. | |
| ▲ | rolph 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | also common UK slang, for someone who constantly does things in the grey. to wit: scammer, scheister, player. | | |
| ▲ | gib444 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | That's incorrect. In British slang it means a customer/patron. In this context a fan/concertgoer (Source: I'm British) | | |
| ▲ | rolph 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | interesting, so when a fellow is taken up by the cops, and he says "thers no punt, im telling you truth", is that unfamiliar? i have a lot of different nationalities partaking of my wilderness lodge, and a lot of the younger english ones use punt/play/burn/scam as equivalent. i can see how they could merge, considering a colloquial "punt" [rugby/footall] as a maneuver with adverse risk. | | |
| ▲ | quietbritishjim 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Punt is a long gamble, most often used as part of "take a punt". As you say, probably related to football usage. I don't know if punter (as in, customer) is related. I suppose buying something is always a bit of a punt to some extent. | | |
| ▲ | rcxdude 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | They are related, it seems. punter being gambler but evolving into general 'customer/member of the public' over time. |
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| ▲ | philposting 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Never heard of that usage (I'm also British). | | | |
| ▲ | gerdesj an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | "interesting, so when a fellow is taken up by the cops, and he says "thers no punt, im telling you truth", is that unfamiliar?" Yes it is unfamiliar - it is unlikely that anyone in the UK has accidentally said that. "i have a lot of different nationalities partaking of my wilderness lodge, and a lot of the younger english ones use punt/play/burn/scam as equivalent." Given you have a dislike of capitals, I'll hazard a guess at your age (but not tell you). Kids here (UK) don't use words like that, says Granddad! I get a capital G because I say so. If I had to guess, I've probably replied to a shit AI sigh | | |
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| ▲ | augusto-moura 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You made me curious about the recording, could you share the youtube link for it? Only if you are comfortable with it, ofc |
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| ▲ | hungryhobbit 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Great project, but it has an absolutely TERRIBLE UI. Please, if you love audio enough to put in the 95% of effort to get the files to the web, don't let everyone down with an atrocious interface to actually access those files. Please, get someone who knows about usability or building web UIs to help you! |
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