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ronanfarrow 16 hours ago

Ronan Farrow here. Andrew Marantz and I spent 18 months on this investigation. Happy to answer questions about the reporting.

cs702 15 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Thank you for coming on HN and offering to answer questions.[a]

This is a fantastic piece, very timely, evidently well-researched, and also well-written. Judging by the little that I know, it's accurate. Thank you for doing the work and sharing it with the world.

OpenAI may be in a more tenuous competitive position than many people realize. Recent anecdotal evidence suggests the company has lost its lead in the AI race to Anthropic.[b]

Many people here, on HN, who develop software prefer Claude, because they think it's a better product.[c]

Is your understanding of OpenAI's current competitive position similar?

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[a] You may want to provide proof online that you are who you say you are: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Internet%2C_nobody_know...

[b] https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2026-04-01/openais-sh...

[c] For example, there are 2x more stories mentioning Claude than ChatGPT on HN over the past year. Compare https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastYear&page=0&prefix=tru... to https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastYear&page=0&prefix=tru...

ronanfarrow 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Thank you for this, very much appreciate the thoughtful response.

The piece captures some of the anxieties within OpenAI right now about their competitive position. This obviously ebbs and flows but of late there has been much focus on Anthropic's relative position. We of course mention the allegations of "circular deals" and concerns about partners taking on debt.

cs702 9 hours ago | parent [-]

Thank you. Yes, I saw that. The company's always been surrounded by endless talk about insane hype, speculative bubbles, and financial engineering. I wasn't asking so much about that.

I was asking more about your informed view on how OpenAI's technology, products, and roadmap are perceived, particularly by customers and partners, in comparison to those of competitors.

If you have an opinion about that, everyone here would love to hear about it.

Ericson2314 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Ronan Farrow's expertise is investigations into elite amorality, not evaluating technical products. Why are you asking this question?

cs702 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I didn't asking him to evaluate them. I asked him how customer and partners perceive them.

He's had so many conversations that he likely has a sense of how perceptions of the company and its offerings have changed.

I'm curious.

bloppe 17 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Much of the article and general palace intrigue is predicated on the idea that OpenAI has a singularly revolutionary product. If it later turns out to be a commodity, or OpenAI is simply outcompeted nonetheless, then the idea that Sam Altman's personal shortcomings are something to stress about would seem quaint. Just another hubristic tech billionaire acting in bad faith doesn't really pry attention the same way as someone "controlling your future".

irishcoffee 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

My guess is that the answer to your question, fantastic question, is that nobody knows. I remember having the same thoughts when Covid was first “arriving” if you will: we wanted people in the know to throw us a nugget of information, and they just didn’t know.

As it turns out, and what I’m kind of going with for this LLM shit, is that it’ll play out exactly how you think it will. The companies are all too big to fail, with billionaire backers who would rather commit fraud than lose money.

unsupp0rted 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Many of us prefer OpenAI's Codex, because we think it's a better product.

No comment on the CEO: I just find the product superior in everything but UI/UX and conversation. It's better at quality code.

mliker 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Who is “us”? It does seem that some scientists prefer Codex for its math capabilities but when it comes to general frontend and backend construction, Claude Code is just as good and possibly made better with its extensive Skills library.

Both codex and Claude code fail when it comes to extremely sophisticated programming for distributed systems

keldaris 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

As a scientist (computational physicist, so plenty of math, but also plenty of code, from Python PoCs to explicit SIMD and GPU code, mostly various subsets of C/C++), I can confirm - Codex is qualitatively better for my usecases than Claude. I keep retesting them (not on benchmarks, I simply use both in parallel for my work and see what happens) after every version update and ever since 5.2 Codex seems further and further ahead. The token limits are also far more generous (and it matters, I found it fairly easy to hit the 5h limit on max tier Claude), but mostly it's about quality - the probability that the model will give me something useful I can iterate on as opposed to discard immediately is much higher with Codex.

For the few times I've used both models side by side on more typical tasks (not so much web stuff, which I don't do much of, but more conventional Python scripts, CLI utilities in C, some OpenGL), they seem much more evenly matched. I haven't found a case where Claude would be markedly superior since Codex 5.2 came out, but I'm sure there are plenty. In my view, benchmarks are completely irrelevant at this point, just use models side by side on representative bits of your real work and stick with what works best for you. My software engineer friends often react with disbelief when I say I much prefer Codex, but in my experience it is not a close comparison.

ricksunny 2 hours ago | parent [-]

>As a scientist (computational physicist,

Is there one that you prefer for, i dunno, physics?

the__alchemist 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Claude Code, Codex, and Cursor are old news. If you're having problems, it's because you're not using the latest hotness: Cludge. Everyone is using it now - don't get left behind.

outside1234 an hour ago | parent [-]

Cludge has been left behind by Clanker, that’s the new hotness. 45B valuation!

zeroxfe 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm in that camp -- I have the max-tier subscription to pretty much all the services, and for now Codex seems to win. Primarily because 1) long horizon development tasks are much more reliable with codex, and 2) OpenAI is far more generous with the token limits.

Gemini seems to be the worst of the three, and some open-weight models are not too bad (like Kimi k2.5). Cursor is still pretty good, and copilot just really really sucks.

unsupp0rted 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Us = me and say /r/codex or wherever Codex users are. I've tried both, liked both, but in my projects one clearly produces better results, more maintainable code and does a better job of debugging and refactoring.

sampullman 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That's interesting, I actively use both and usually find it to be a toss up which one performs better at a given task. I generally find Claude to be better with complex tool calls and Codex to be better at reviewing code, but otherwise don't see a significant difference.

SOLAR_FIELDS 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If you want to find an advocate for Codex that can give a pretty good answer as to why they think it's better, go ask Eric Provencher. He develops https://repoprompt.com/. He spends a lot of time thinking in this space and prefers Codex over Claude, though I haven't checked recently to see if he still has that opinion. He's pretty reachable on Discord if you poke around a bit.

aswanson 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Any difference in performance on mobile development?

sampullman 4 hours ago | parent [-]

For that I'm not so sure. I tried both early 2025 and was disappointed in their ability to deal with a TCA based app (iOS) and Jetpack compose stuff on Android, but I assume Opus 4.6 and GPT 5.4 are much better.

rocketpastsix 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

yea Im not in this "us" you speak of.

zem 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I've found claude startlingly good at debugging race conditions and other multithreading issues though.

josephg 5 hours ago | parent [-]

My rule of thumb is that its good for anything "broad", and weaker for anything "deep". Broad tasks are tasks which require working knowledge of lots of random stuff. Its bad at deep work - like implementing a complex, novel algorithm.

LLMs aren't able to achieve 100% correctness of every line of code. But luckily, 100% correctness is not required for debugging. So its better at that sort of thing. Its also (comparatively) good at reading lots and lots of code. Better than I am - I get bogged down in details and I exhaust quickly.

An example of broad work is something like: "Compile this C# code to webassembly, then run it from this go program. Write a set of benchmarks of the result, and compare it to the C# code running natively, and this python implementation. Make a chart of the data add it to this latex code." Each of the steps is simple if you have expertise in the languages and tools. But a lot of work otherwise. But for me to do that, I'd need to figure out C# webassembly compilation and go wasm libraries. I'd need to find a good charting library. And so on.

I think its decent at debugging because debugging requires reading a lot of code. And there's lots of weird tools and approaches you can use to debug something. And its not mission critical that every approach works. Debugging plays to the strengths of LLMs.

7thpower 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Not a scientist and use codex for anything complex.

I enjoy using CC more and use it for non coding tasks primarily, but for anything complex (honestly most of what I do is not that complex), I feel like I am trading future toil for a dopamine hit.

bko 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I also find Codex much more generous in terms of what you get with a Pro ($20/mo) subscription. I use it pretty much non-stop and I have yet to hit a limit. Weekly reset is much better as well.

enraged_camel 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yeah, there are dozens of you. Dozens!

brightbeige 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

He’s replying on this twitter thread - perhaps someone with an account can ask there and link his comment here?

https://xcancel.com/RonanFarrow/status/2041127882429206532#m

jamiequint 10 hours ago | parent [-]

Here is the actual link, not a link to some weird third-party site that can't be trusted.

https://x.com/RonanFarrow/status/2041127882429206532

rounce 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

FYI xcancel is just a mirror that allows reading replies without needing an account.

SwellJoe 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Whereas X can be trusted?

jamiequint 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes? It's the data source, not a third-party. How is this even a question?

minimaxir 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There's pedantic, and then there's needlessly pedantic.

xcancel is a valid workaround for X links on Hacker News and is sufficient for original attribution.

SwellJoe 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

X restricts what you can view without logging in. Many folks don't want to log in to X, for obvious reasons. Posting an xcancel link is kinda like folks posting various `archive` URLs to bypass paywalls, work around overloaded servers, etc. That's an extremely common practice here that usually goes without comment.

ATMLOTTOBEER 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah we moved to Claude a few months ago, mostly because the devs kept using it anyway. Altman stuff is interesting but at the end of the day you just go with whatever tool works

ed 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's worth noting Codex has 2x more stories than Claude https://hn.algolia.com/?query=codex

cloverich 42 minutes ago | parent [-]

But by page 5, those stories have around 50-60 karma, while claude page five is still 500+

(i found your comment surprising based on my daily hn reading recollection - i mostly read top N daily and feel i only occassionally see codex stories).

georgemcbay 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> You may want to provide proof online that you are who you say you are

Unfortunately it probably doesn't even matter here on HN considering how brigaded down this story is predictably getting.

But yeah, it was a fantastic piece.

dang 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It wasn't getting "brigaded down" - it set off a software penalty called the flamewar detector. I turned that off as soon as I saw it.

ronanfarrow 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Fair request, here you go: https://x.com/RonanFarrow/status/2041203911697068112

jzymbaluk 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hi Ronan, thanks for the article and for answering questions.

My question is, how do you know when an enormous project like this, conducted over an 18-month time span is "done"? I assume you get a lot of leeway from editors and publishers on this matter. How do you make the decision to finally pull the trigger on publishing?

taurath 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The statements around the sexual abuse allegations seemed to be the most puzzling to me - his sister’s allegations and claims of underage partners because he has a tendency to hook up with younger partners. It does seem like this piece gives him a pretty clean bill of health in that matter - I guess would you be able to talk about how you investigated?

Did you do any extra investigations into Annie’s allegations? It feels to me like the unstated conclusion is recovered memory can’t be trusted, which is a popular understanding but a very wrong one put out by the now defunct and discredited False Memory Syndrome Foundation. It was founded by the parents of the psychologist who coined DARVO, directly in reaction to her accusing them of abuse.

Dissociation is real (I have a dissociative disorder, and abuse I “recovered” but did not remember for much of my adolescence and early adulthood has been corroborated by third parties) and many CSA survivors have severe memory problems that often don’t come to a head until adulthood. I know you didn’t dismiss her claim, but the way the public tends to think about recovered memories is shaped primarily by that awful organization.

ronanfarrow 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

All fair points on trauma and memory.

As noted in the piece, we spent months talking to Altman's partners and what we found and didn't is as described.

taurath 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Thanks for the response! Cheers just fully reread the piece and appreciate your reporting.

girvo 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's super neat to see you here on HN taking questions, kudos :)

fontain 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I am very sympathetic to the situation you describe. I certainly think it is possible that Annie is describing something that happened. I think the author did a fair job of representing the allegations, finding the right balance between disclosing that they were unable to corroborate the allegations without dismissing them.

That said, "recovering" memories as a therapy does not pass any sort of sniff test and it doesn't take a concerted effort to discredit the concept. Human memory is very malleable. Patients with mental health issues (which could predate abuse, or could be caused by abuse) are often in search of answers and that makes them very vulnerable.

Could a memory be buried deep in our subconscious, forgotten, only to return to the surface later? Sure, we all forget things and then remember them when triggered by something, whether that's a smell or sound or something else entirely. But can we engineer that process, with any degree of reliability? How can we even begin to reliably reverse engineer the triggers?

I think it is also important to keep in mind that Annie is rich, and the health care available to rich people can be very predatory. There are endless examples of nonsense therapies for all types of health, from ear seeds to treatments for "chronic Lyme".

Memories that return organically due to a trigger are a world apart from "recovered" memories, we shouldn't conflate them. If Annie's memories were triggered in adulthood, sure, that's really no different than remembering something... but "recovered"? That is something else entirely.

Correct me where I'm wrong, I'd like to learn your perspective, maybe there's a missing piece.

gowld 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's not a fair assessment. "False memory syndrome" and "repressed/recovered memory" are both outside scientific mainstream consensus.

hello_humans 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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cm2012 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I just spent a while reading the article. I really appreciate you writing it. In my case, it made me like Sam Altman a lot more. But I was only able to conclude this because of all the evidence you took the time to put together. It paints the picture of someone trying to do something very difficult in a rapidly changing environment and a lot of pressure, but still making the important choices and not shirking them.

ronanfarrow 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Interesting to hear! While this hasn’t been a commonplace reaction, I think if I do my job right it should allow people to read the facts as they will, exactly like this. It’s strenuously designed to be fair and, where appropriate, even generous.

sebmellen 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Ronan Farrow on Hacker News. Now I’ve seen everything.

ronanfarrow 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I’ve really appreciated how substantive and polite the discourse here is, overall!

dang 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I'm a mod here and wanted to let you know 2 things: (1) I've marked your account with a beta feature that displays a colored line to the left of new comments (since you last viewed the page). It might help you keep track of this rather large thread.*

(2) I'm sorry the post was downranked off the frontpage for a while this afternoon. A software penalty kicks in when the discussion seems overheated ("flamewar detector") but I turned this off as soon as I became aware of it. We make a point of moderating HN less when a story is YC-related (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...) but as this goes against standard internet axioms, people usually assume the opposite.

(* And yes, any reader who wants this is welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com to ask - I haven't turned it on for everyone because I'm worried it would slow the site down. Also, it's a bit buggy and not only have I not had time to fix it, I've forgotten what the bugs are.)

lizhang an hour ago | parent [-]

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tootie an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Not a question but just wanted to make sure you saw this:

https://theonion.com/anyone-else-have-those-weird-dreams-whe...

aragonite 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I had a question about reporting conventions. In the paragraph where Altman is said to have told Murati that his allies were "going all out" to damage her reputation, the claim is attributed to "someone with knowledge of the conversation" but the attribution is tucked inconspicuously into the middle of the sentence (rather than say leading upfront ("According to someone with knowledge of the conversation, Altman...")) and Altman's non-recollection appears only parenthetically.

As a reader, am I supposed to infer anything about evidentiary weight from these stylistic choices? When a single anonymous source's testimony is presented in a "declarative" narrative style like here (with the attribution in a less prominent position), should we read that as reflecting high confidence on your end (perhaps from additional corroboration not fully spelled out)? And does the fact that Altman’s non-recollection appears in parentheses carry any epistemic signal (e.g. that you assign it less evidentiary weight)? Or is that mostly a matter of (say) prose rhythm?

replytofarrow 3 hours ago | parent [-]

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fblp 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hi Ronan appreciate you being here. what would help you and others continue to do journalism like this? (including commenting on HN?)

ronanfarrow 3 hours ago | parent [-]

This is a vast and tricky question. The business model has basically fallen out from under journalism, and especially this kind of labor-intensive investigative reporting. The media landscape is increasingly dominated by moneyed individuals and companies essentially buying up the discourse.

I would really suggest subscribing to and finding ways to amplify independent outlets and journalists, and encouraging others to do so.

ricksunny 44 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Treating quality investigative reporting like the scarce resource that it is, as one of the most well-known can you shed any light on why Reuters would delegate resources to commission investigative reporters to unmask Banksy (in a world where all-things-Epstein represents an unending source of investigative opportunities in the public interest)?

fblp 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Got it! Any recommendations on who to subscribe to? Any personal links for you?

In developer communities often you can support individual developers or groups through a monthly subscription / donation on their github page or similar.

mplanchard 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Well, this piece was in The New Yorker, which is reasonably priced and regularly includes excellent investigative journalism. I get the physical copies, which can be too much to keep up with if you try to read everything, but it’s easy enough if you skim and just read the things that stick out as being of particular interest.

euio757 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Nice biography from Loopt to OpenAI. Why no mention of the Worldcoin cryptocurrency https://x.com/sama/status/1451203161029427208 in this piece? Was there nothing interesting to report in that area?

philip1209 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We talk about Sam Altman a lot. At this point he has a Hollywood movie in post-production, a book ("The Optimist"), and a seemingly endless stream of profiles. It feels intellectually lazy to keep researching the same guy when the industry is moving beyond him.

All evidence today suggests Anthropic is passing OpenAI in relative and absolute growth. So where's the critical reporting? The DOD coverage was framed around the Pentagon's decisions, not Anthropic's. And nobody seems interested in examining whether the company that branded itself as the ethical AI lab actually is one. That seems like a story worth writing.

solenoid0937 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> whether the company that branded itself as the ethical AI lab actually is one

FWIW I have two(!!) close friends working for Anthropic, one for nearly two years and one for about 4 months.

Both of them tell me that this is not just marketing, that the company actually is ethical and safety conscious everywhere, and that this was the most surprising part about joining Anthropic for them. They insist the culture is actually genuine which is practically unicorn rarity in corporate America.

We have worked for FAANG so I know where they're coming from; this got me to drop my cynicism for once and I plan on interviewing with them soon. Hopefully I can answer this question for myself.

root_axis 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah, every engineer in the bay area has a way of framing the business they work for as a benign force for good... Until they find themselves working somewhere else, then suddenly they have a lot to say about the unacceptable things going on there.

From the outside, I find Anthropic's hyperbolic marketing to be an indication that they are basically the same as every other bay area tech startup - more or less nice folks who are primarily concerned with money and status. That's not a condemnation, but I reject all the "do no evil" fanfare as conveniently self serving.

JumpCrisscross an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> every engineer in the bay area has a way of framing the business they work for as a benign force for good

This isn't remotely true in my experience. The senior folks I know at Meta, for example, pretty much concede they're ersatz drug dealers.

solenoid0937 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

TBH I have worked at multiple FAANG and I don't know anyone other than maybe new grads that actually drank the koolaid.

Certainly most of us know we are just in it for the money, and the soul-grinding profit machine will continue to grind souls for profit regardless of what we want.

So that's why it is surprising to me when my (fairly senior) grizzled ex-FAANG friends, that share the same view, start waxing poetic about Anthropic being different and genuine. I think "maybe it is" and decide to interview. IDK, I guess some part of me wants to believe that nice things can exist.

hypersoar 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I can believe that such an atmosphere exists there. I can't believe that it will stay. It will be squeezed out by the drive for profit in time.

xvector an hour ago | parent [-]

It might stick tbh. Their PBC+LTBT structure severely limits the power of shareholders. https://www.anthropic.com/news/the-long-term-benefit-trust

foolswisdom 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think cynicism is deserved just from observing Dario's remarks.

giwook 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There may be a reason why Altman is talked about a lot. This article in particular surfaces real information and new perspectives we've not heard in this level of detail before on some pretty significant topics that will be impacting you, me, and pretty much everyone we know not only today but well into the future.

You have a point in that Anthropic deserves some coverage too and that there are interesting perspectives that we've not heard of on that front either.

But just because that's true doesn't mean this article isn't very much relevant and needed.

Because it is.

freely0085 3 hours ago | parent [-]

The New Yorker has given plenty of coverage about Anthropic in their past issues earlier this year.

ronanfarrow 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For what it’s worth, the story, while focused on OpenAI, is not uncritical of Anthropic. It explores whether there is a wider race to the bottom in terms of safety, and erosion of even some of Anthropic’s commitments.

k1m 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

After the US launched its attack on Iran, the ethical AI lab's CEO wrote: "Anthropic has much more in common with the Department of War than we have differences." - https://www.anthropic.com/news/where-stand-department-war

mptest 2 hours ago | parent [-]

"how easy it is, for those of us who play no part in public affairs, to sneer at the compromises required of those who do" - robert harris

Not making any value judgements, but I can see how one might value their interpretability research higher than what the ceo says in a time where the corrupt, criminal executive branch is muscling in to everything from what's written on currency, to journalistic sources. I generally blame fascists before i blame those unable or unwilling to resist them. though obviously, ideally, we'd all lock arms and, together through friendship, crush authoritarians and fascists.

whattheheckheck an hour ago | parent [-]

Seriously blame anyone other than the fucking abuser. These people

basisword 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

OP says they’ve been working on this for 18 months. Most of what you’ve said wasn’t the case until much more recently.

Nevermark 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We should stop talking about potential problems or perpetrators, when we have talked about them “enough”?

That would be irrational.

We should give air time to other problems?

I think everyone agrees with that.

You have managed to distill a surprisingly pure vintage of false dichotomy, from a near Platonic varietal of whataboutism.

xvector 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Normies don't know what an "Anthropic" is. They use ChatGPT. Particularly sharp normies might know that ChatGPT is made by OpenAI, and the sharpest might know that Sam Altman is the CEO.

Now, they may have heard the word "Anthropic" due to recent media coverage. But they don't know what it is and don't remember what it makes. The fact that all businesses use "Anthropic" is about as relevant to them as knowing the overseas shipping company for all the shit they buy off Amazon.

So articles about OAI will always produce more revenue for the media, because it's related to what normies actually use day to day.

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_HMCB_ 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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easterncalculus 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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f154hfds an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> in 2014, [Graham] had recruited Altman to be his successor as president.

> [Graham's] judgment was based not on Altman’s track record, which was modest, but on his will to prevail, which Graham considered almost ungovernable.

One thing I don't understand is why Paul Graham offered YC to Altman if he knew how slippery he was..

sonofhans 23 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Perhaps your question answers itself.

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Uhhrrr 29 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The last couple sentences tie things up really nicely.

egonschiele 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Just wanted to say what an incredible person you are! Catch and Kill and the related reporting was awesome too!

ronanfarrow 3 hours ago | parent [-]

This is so appreciated, thank you! These stories can honestly take a lot out of me so thoughtful reactions mean a lot.

tbagman 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Wonderful work and writing, Ronan -- I'm appreciative of your careful balance between objective fact-finding and synthesis.

For me, a big worry about AI is in its potential to further ease distorting or fabricating truth, while simultaneously reducing people's "load-bearing" intellectual skills in assessing what is true or trustworthy or good. You must be in the middle of this storm, given your profession and the investigations like this that you pursue.

Do you see a path through this?

cmiles8 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Great reporting.

Altman describes his shifting views as genuine good faith evolution of thinking. Do you believe he has a clear North Star behind all this that’s not centered on himself?

ronanfarrow 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The piece is an interrogation of this very question, at great length and with some nuance. I think what it does most usefully is scrutinize an array of different answers to the question.

My own impression after many hours of conversation is that he is identifying something of a true north star when he frames this around "winning." There are people in the story who talk about him emphasizing a desire for power (as opposed to, say, wealth). I think he probably also believes, to some extent, the story he tells that equates winning, and his gaining power, with a superabundant utopian future for all.

However, I think critics correctly highlight a tension between his statements about centering humanity writ large and his tilt into relentless accelerationism.

i7l 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

(Other people's) money.

mplanchard 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hi Ronan, absolutely wild to see you here in the belly of the beast.

I have not read the article yet, because I get the physical magazine and look forward to reading it analog. I therefore only have an inconsequential question.

I love the New Yorker’s house style and editorial “voice,” and I have always been curious about the editing process. I enjoyed the recent exhibit at the NYPL, which had some marked up drafts with editor feedback and author comments.

Did you find that your editors made significant changes to the voice of the piece, and/or do you find any aspects of their editing process particularly notable or unusual?

Can’t wait to read this one, and hope the HN crowd treats you well.

bck102 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Have you considered doing a piece on Aaron Swartz? Timnit Gebru? Michael O. Church?

doctorpangloss an hour ago | parent [-]

It could be titled "Hypergraphia"

tsunamifury 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I know why the cantilevered pool statement is there and why you mentioned it.

I’m sure you don’t know half of the totally fucked up things Sam did to get “revenge” for the slight of a leaking pool.

stavros 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There's a very minor typo in the article:

> “Investors are, like, I need to know you’re gonna stick with this when times get hard,”

Should be:

> “Investors are like, I need to know you’re gonna stick with this when times get hard,”

JumpCrisscross an hour ago | parent [-]

I'm not seeing a typo. Just a stylistic difference.

SwellJoe 23 minutes ago | parent [-]

Pretty sure the correction is wrong, not merely a stylistic choice.

jharohit 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

what model was used to create the visual at the top of the article?

wyldfire 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Dang, can you substantiate that this is actually Mr. Farrow like he claims?

Or Mr Farrow can you post some evidence somewhere we can see?

_alternator_ 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Do you think the recent conflict between Anthropic and the Department of War, and the apparent bootlicking by OpenAI has fundamentally altered the public perception of OAI? Are they the baddies now in the general public opinion?

felixgallo 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is brilliant work, guys. Did you get any pressure to soften or spike the story?

ronanfarrow 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I won’t get into behind-the-scenes specifics here but I think you can imagine how pressurized this topic was and the amount of heat that tends to generate. I’m used to getting a lot of blowback and it’s never fun. I just hope the work is meticulous and fair enough, and that enough people see the benefits of that, that I get to continue to do it.

Balgair 23 minutes ago | parent [-]

Hey, just want to say thanks for the piece and for all the hard work and effort you did to get this out there. I've published a bit here and there, and the actual writing is only ~50% of the work load (for me at least). So thanks for going through all the effort and pain to get it out, really appreciate all the work you do for me and the rest of Joe Public.

artursapek an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

hey I loved that Ricky Gervais joke about you at the globes

Stevvo 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Love the visual. Fantastic.

xnx 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In depth reporting is great. This is a really tricky topic to cover over the course of 18 months. A year and a half ago OpenAI was ascendant, now it's -at best- stalling and, more likely, trending toward irrelevant.

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Lerc 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

From time to time I have been accused of being an apologist for Sam Altman, but I have always tried to assess information based upon what it says instead of whether it matches an existing narrative. You list a number of distortions in your article which show the problem. If you are a good person, bad stories about you may be fake. If you are a bad person, bad stories about you may still be fake.

My prima facie view on Altman has been that he presents as sincere. In interviews I have never seen him make a statement that I considered to be a deliberate untruth. I also recognise that people make claims about him go in all directions, and that I am not in a position to evaluate most of those claims. About the only truly agreed upon aspect has been how persuasive he is.

I can definitely see a possibility of people feeling like they have been lied to if they experienced a degree of persuasion that they are unaccustomed to. If you agree to something that you feel like you didn't really feel like you would have, I can see people concluding that they have been lied to rather than accept that they had been intellectually beaten.

In all such cases where an issue is contentious, you should ask yourself, what information would significantly change your views. If nothing could change your view, then it's a matter beyond reason.

I think you will agree that there is no smoking gun in this article, and it is just an outlay of the allegations. Evaluating allegations becomes tricky because I think it becomes a character judgement of those making the claims.

I have not heard a single person in all of this criticise Ilya Sutskever's character. If he were to make a statement to say that this article is an accurate representation of what he has experienced, it would go a long way.

I think Paul Graham should make a statement, The things he has publicly claimed are at odds with what the article says he has privately claimed. I have no opinion if one or the other is true or if they can be reconciled but there seem to be contradictions that need to be addressed.

While I do not have sources to hand (so I will not assert this as true but just claim it is my memory) I recall Sam Altman himself saying that he himself did not think he should have control over our future, and the board was supposed to protect against that, but since the 'blip' it was evident that another mechanism is required. I also recall hearing an interview where Helen Toner suggested that they effectively ambushed Altman because if he had time to respond to allegations he could have provided a reasonable explanation. It did not reflect well on her.

I am a little put off by some of the language used in the article. Things like "Altman conveyed to Mira Murati" followed by "Altman does not recall the exchange" Why use a term such as 'conveyed' which might imply no exchange to recall? If a third party explained what they thought Altman thought. Mira Murati could reasonbly feel like the information has been conveyed while at the same time Altman has no experience of it to recall. Nevertheless it results in an impression of Altman being evasive. If the text contained "Altman told Mira Murati" then no such ambiguity would exist.

"Later, the board was alarmed to learn that its C.E.O. had essentially appointed his own shadow board" Is this still talking about Brockman and Sutskever? I just can't see this as anything other than a claim he took advice from people he trusted. I assume those board members who were alarmed were not the ones he was trusting, because presumably the others didn't need to find out. The people he disagreed with still had votes so any claim of a 'shadow board' with power is nonsense, and if it is a condemnable offence, is the same not true of the alignment of board members who removed him.

Josh Kushner apparently made a veiled threat to Muratti, the claim "Altman claims he was unaware of the call" casts him as evasive by stacking denial upon denial, but without any other indication that was undisclosed in the article, it would have been more surprising if he did know of the call. I also didn't know of the call because I am not those two people.

The claim of sexual abuse says via Karen Hao "Annie suggested that memories of abuse were recovered during flashbacks in adulthood." To leave it at that without some discussion about the scientific opinion on previously unremembered events being recalled during a flashback seems to be journalistically irresponsible.

clapthewind an hour ago | parent [-]

You make very good points. Signed up to point this out to others.

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tstrimple 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hard hitting journalism here. Is the person who lied for years to promote himself trustworthy? More news at 11!

rhlannx 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I have the feeling that if you write an article in that style, the subject of the story becomes the hero even if you insert a couple of negatives. In the same manner that Michael Corleone becomes the hero of The Godfather.

I'm not pleased with the headline and the general framing that AI works. The plagiarism and IP theft aspects are entirely omitted. The widespread disillusion with AI is omitted.

On the positive side, the Kushner ad Abu Dhabi involvements (and threats from Kushner) deserve a wider audience.

My personal opinion is that "who should control AI" is the wrong question. In the current state, it is an IP laundering device and I wonder why publications fall silent on this. For example, the NYT has abandoned their crown witness Suchir Balaji who literally perished for his convictions (murder or not).

ronanfarrow 3 hours ago | parent [-]

For what it’s worth, I don’t think the piece at all avoids key areas of disillusionment with the technology. Quite the contrary.

FloorEgg 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hi Ronan,

I would love to read your piece and pay you and new Yorker for it, but I am not interested in paying a subscription. If I could press a button and pay a reasonable one time license such as $3 or $5 for just this article, or better yet a few cents per paragraph as they load in, I wouldn't hesitate.

However I'm not going to pay for yet another subscription to access one article I'm interested in.

I'm sure you can't do anything about this, but I just wanted you to know.

You deserve to be compensated for great journalism. In this case, unfortunately, I won't read it and you won't earn income from me.

cloud_line 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You could buy a physical copy (and this isn't meant to sound sarcastic).

jzymbaluk 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You can walk down to a bookstore or anywhere that sells magazines and buy a physical copy

mattbee 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Or just switch your browser to Reader Mode and it's free.

IrishTechie 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I’ve often thought about a model like this and would love to see a few news outlets run it as a pilot and see how it stacks up.

mikeyouse 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Many have tried it (as well as the oft-recommended micropayments idea) and it never justifies the added expense and overhead of the customization. Closest is probably the NYTimes’ gift article feature.

Dylan16807 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I really doubt the implementation difficulty is the actual reason. It's not hard to have an extra table of specific article permissions.

caycep 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You could hit up a public library...

eichin 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Looking online it looks like the newsstand price of an issue is around $10 (which I'd assume is heavily ad subsidized, if anyone is still buying print ads?) which is an interesting data point for a pricing model. (Of course, I looked online because I have no idea where I'd find a newsstand around here - the nearest newsstand that show up on google maps has reviews that say "It's just snacks and scratch tickets." and "three newspapers and no magazines" - I may have to stop by just to see what three newspapers they have :-)

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sieabahlpark 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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loloquwowndueo 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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LoganDark 15 hours ago | parent [-]

Many browsers let you disable autoplay globally.

loloquwowndueo 15 hours ago | parent [-]

Sure, there are a couple of buttons I can press to stop the video. Why do I have to? Find me one person who likes auto playing videos. The page was created with a deliberate annoying choice that I have to go out of my way to override.

binarymax 14 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Why do you think the author of this piece, to who you originally replied, has any control over this?

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LoganDark 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I'm not talking about pausing the video after it starts playing. I'm talking about a global setting to prevent videos from playing before you manually unpause them. Safari has such a setting, for instance.

loloquwowndueo 13 hours ago | parent [-]

Exactly what “I have to go out of my way to override” covers, from my comment.

mannyv 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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Uptrenda 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Damn, just wanted to say reporters are scary... The amount of detail here is huge. You think of hackers as the ones good at doxing... Nah, its reporters.

wileydragonfly 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Stop pretending you aren’t Woody’s son. The contact lens are beyond cringe.

giwook 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Any plans to tackle any of the other folks who might be mentioned in the same sentence as Altman, like Darius Amodei?

mathisfun123 5 hours ago | parent [-]

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yakkomajuri 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think the comment was out of legitimate interest rather than weighing one against the other

giwook 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Huh? It's a genuine question. The article is great and the writer did a fantastic job.

Please try to give people the benefit of the doubt though I know it's hard in today's society.

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