> whether the company that branded itself as the ethical AI lab actually is one

FWIW I have two(!!) close friends working for Anthropic, one for nearly two years and one for about 4 months.

Both of them tell me that this is not just marketing, that the company actually is ethical and safety conscious everywhere, and that this was the most surprising part about joining Anthropic for them. They insist the culture is actually genuine which is practically unicorn rarity in corporate America.

We have worked for FAANG so I know where they're coming from; this got me to drop my cynicism for once and I plan on interviewing with them soon. Hopefully I can answer this question for myself.

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Bolwin 3 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I find it bizarre even the public image of Anthropic is seen as ethical after the Department of War debacle, in which they themselves admitted they had basically no qualms with their tech being used for war and slaughter at all except two very very thin lines, namely mass surveillance of American citizens and fully automated weaponry with their current models.

It only showed they were marginally more ethical than OpenAI and XAI which isn't saying much.

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root_axis 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah, every engineer in the bay area has a way of framing the business they work for as a benign force for good... Until they find themselves working somewhere else, then suddenly they have a lot to say about the unacceptable things going on there.

From the outside, I find Anthropic's hyperbolic marketing to be an indication that they are basically the same as every other bay area tech startup - more or less nice folks who are primarily concerned with money and status. That's not a condemnation, but I reject all the "do no evil" fanfare as conveniently self serving.

	▲	JumpCrisscross an hour ago \| parent \| next [-]
		> every engineer in the bay area has a way of framing the business they work for as a benign force for good This isn't remotely true in my experience. The senior folks I know at Meta, for example, pretty much concede they're ersatz drug dealers.
	▲	solenoid0937 an hour ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		TBH I have worked at multiple FAANG and I don't know anyone other than maybe new grads that actually drank the koolaid. Certainly most of us know we are just in it for the money, and the soul-grinding profit machine will continue to grind souls for profit regardless of what we want. So that's why it is surprising to me when my (fairly senior) grizzled ex-FAANG friends, that share the same view, start waxing poetic about Anthropic being different and genuine. I think "maybe it is" and decide to interview. IDK, I guess some part of me wants to believe that nice things can exist.

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hypersoar 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I can believe that such an atmosphere exists there. I can't believe that it will stay. It will be squeezed out by the drive for profit in time.

	▲	xvector an hour ago \| parent [-]
		It might stick tbh. Their PBC+LTBT structure severely limits the power of shareholders. https://www.anthropic.com/news/the-long-term-benefit-trust

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foolswisdom 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think cynicism is deserved just from observing Dario's remarks.