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pwarner 10 hours ago

I hope the aviators are OK, and also hope whoever they were bombing are also OK.

I do wonder if Iran finds them first, will they treat them better than the US treated survivors of the ship sunk by a US torpedo in the Indiana Ocean?

jacquesm 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You left out 'unarmed'.

gambutin 5 hours ago | parent [-]

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computerex 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Unarmed like the 30k *children* Israel/US slaughtered in Gaza.

rootusrootus 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> Israel/US

The US?

C6JEsQeQa5fCjE an hour ago | parent [-]

Yes, the US.

If you are stabbing someone on the ground and I am standing next to you, pointing a gun at anyone who comes close and tries to help, and when your current knife breaks I hand you another one to use, I am an active participant in your crime. If it weren't for me, someone would have got you, or you wouldn't have done it in the first place due to caution since no one is there to protect you.

US took that role with Israel, and was an activate participant in Israel's genocide of the indigenous people of Palestine.

nielsbot 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"They killed unarmed civilians so that means we can kill unarmed soldiers!"

Are you seriously trying to say this war of aggression on Iran is about democracy for their people? That's not what the US does. What the US does is lip service to democracy while destroying it around the world for capitalist interests.

gambutin 5 hours ago | parent [-]

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severino 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It looks like this figure is growing by the hour. By the time I finished writing this comment they may already be 100.000

gambutin 8 minutes ago | parent [-]

How many do you think were killed?

asadotzler 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

So, more whataboutism? Is this your m.o. here?

gambutin 4 hours ago | parent [-]

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toasty228 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Lmao everytime that number is posted it's multiplied by 3. I even read 150 000 dead last week

gambutin 15 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

What number suits you best?

qup 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I've heard 40,000 since it happened.

But sounds like you're saying it decreased since last week.

pphysch 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The "50,000 murdered protesters" is blatant atrocity propaganda to launder the actual mass murder of civilians and failed illegal regime change war by the United States and Israel. Nothing more. It is a lie told with the blackest of intentions.

"Who cares if we murdered 170 schools girls? The evil regime murdered 50 gorillian civilians so it's okay when we do it!"

gambutin 19 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

So are you saying no one was killed during the protests in January?

pphysch 17 minutes ago | parent [-]

Nope, and you should read the rest of the thread before replying with gish-gallop.

gambutin 9 minutes ago | parent [-]

If the number of deaths in the protests is above zero, how many were killed?

gryzzly 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

this just says that you believe the Iranian regime and don’t believe the western democracies, nothing else.

there are names of people killed, and videos of hangings, and videos of basij forces shooting at people on the streets, easy to find. there are videos of Iranians celebrating the bombing of regime symbols – saying all of its "atrocity propaganda" doesn’t make it not be true.

pphysch 2 hours ago | parent [-]

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Merad 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If you're suggesting that the US submarine should have rescued the survivors - with respect I think you don't understand how submarines work. They have no capability to perform rescue operations. They have no way to handle mass numbers of injuries, there's normally just one corpsman (basically a medic) on board. Even if they want to do a rescue operation they have no place to put them. Subs barely have room for their own crew; typically 2 or even 3 sailors share the same bed.

worik an hour ago | parent [-]

They should not have sunk the ship in the first place.

potatototoo99 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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rishabhaiover 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You have zero understanding of how systems work.

potatototoo99 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I think you would be surprised!

ksd482 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Are you serious? How old are you?

potatototoo99 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Of course I'm serious, why would my age affect how I feel about a soldier dying invading another country? But you are right that probably in the big context of things a POW is better for negotiating an ealier cease fire, which would ultimately be the better outcome.

ksd482 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I understand the dying part. But you were calling the soldiers evil.

You think enemy soldiers are all evil?

That’s a sentiment I’d expect from a teenager.

C6JEsQeQa5fCjE an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> You think enemy soldiers are all evil?

If they are invading your country when you haven't invaded theirs, absolutely. An illegal war of aggression makes all the participants on the attacking side morally bad, yes.

Those pilots are dealing death and destruction to people and the infrastructure of the attacked country on a daily basis, which they sneak-attacked in the middle of what the victim country thought were diplomatic negotiations, for the second time. Do those pilots not deserve a lot of bad things happening to them in return?

culi 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

A teenager? Have you heard the way American politicians have been talking about this war. They've been liberally using the word "evil" and talking about bombing nations "into the Stone Age"

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isubkhankulov 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The crew of the IRIS Dena were warned twice by the US to abandon ship according to a report from one of the sailor’s father. They refused.

Not sure if it’s possible to treat enemies better than that. And I doubt the Iranians will treat a US pilot well. Look at how they treat their own citizens.

CobrastanJorji 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The ship was an unarmed vessel on its way to a goodwill visit to Sri Lanka and coming from an international maritime exercise hosted by India, which the United States also attended and participated in. The US torpedoed it, and when it sank, the US did not apparently attempt to rescue any of the Dena's crew. Fortunately, Sri Lanka showed up and saved 30 people.

Mind you, the details of war are not always clear. The US says that the ship was armed, and it also says that they did make an effort to rescue the crew. The US does not explain why it failed to actually rescue anybody, of course.

voganmother42 6 hours ago | parent [-]

The US is busy shooting “drug boats” with no evidence, that is who they are now

monooso 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I believe the phrase you're reaching for is "carrying out extra-judicial executions of civilians alleged to have been smuggling drugs."

SV_BubbleTime 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I thought the people claiming they might be fishing boats with no fishing gear, 55gallon drums, in specially designed hulls with 6 engines, hauling ass out of known drug ports were just joking.

voganmother42 4 minutes ago | parent [-]

Yeah, why check right? Not like we need evidence or any investigation…

I saw some people leaving a known drug house yesterday, but fortunately I gunned down the whole family, no questions asked!

asdff 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If the source below is correct, the commander of the Dena ordered his troops to stay on the ship despite the warnings, there was a bit of a mutiny and the survivors are those who rejected those orders and jumped off.

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202603071125

ok_dad 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

OK if I come to your car, declare you’re my enemy, and tell you to get out before I toss a Molotov at you, does that mean I can’t be tried for murder later if you refuse?

This was a sneak attack outside of an established war zone, for an illegal war, so don’t try to conflate this as an attack on America’s enemies. The USA made them their enemies themselves.

AnimalMuppet 4 hours ago | parent [-]

A sneak attack where they warned them twice first? Come on.

computerex 3 hours ago | parent [-]

They were in international waters. This was literally a war crime according to international law. Even the killing of the Supreme leader was against international law.

osiris970 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Not that I am supporting the war, against what statue is killing khamenei? You are targeting a military leader in an arm conflict. Seems clear cut

computerex 2 hours ago | parent [-]

The entire attack was illegal under international law: https://law.stanford.edu/2026/03/03/stanfords-allen-weiner-o...

https://www.newser.com/story/384710/legality-of-khameneis-ki...

His daughter, son-in-law, and grandchildren were civilians. Intentionally targeting civilians is a war crime. Even if they were not targeted directly, an attack is illegal if: it fails to minimize civilian harm, or the civilian casualties are disproportionate to the military advantage

International law is very clear on this point.

dudul 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

A law only has value if it can be enforced. Who's going to enforce this international law exactly?

osiris970 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I don't believe you can minimize civilian damage more than that, if a target is always among civilians. You can only push so much, like the pager attack was probably the most minimizing one, but obviously and unfortunately civilians still got caught.

For the international law part, interesting debate i think, where the state acts in self-defense if it has sustained an “armed attack” by its adversary;. Obviously this is very broad, but i think you can easily argue the last 40 year of fire exchanges as a continued armed attack.

asdff 42 minutes ago | parent [-]

US already has the technology to target a single seat in a car with a missile that has no explosives, solely kinetics (swords really).

RobotToaster 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That doesn't seem like the most trustworthy source.

>Established in May 2017 and funded by Saudi Arabia,[1][2][3][4][5][6] it actively promotes former Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi as the next ruler of Iran.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_International

asdff 40 minutes ago | parent [-]

If anything that seems like it would lean American in its bias. Saudi are our allies as is the family of the former Shah.

computerex 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

America helped Israel kill THOUSANDS of children, and America just killed 150 school girls in Iran. America is a war criminal, plain and simple.

Tomis02 7 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Not sure if it’s possible to treat enemies better than that.

If you can't imagine how, that says a lot about you.

srean 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Can you cite something to support this. Quite keen to read.

pphysch 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Not sure how anyone can believe this while, as another commenter points out, the US is proudly and unilaterally murdering speedboat users in the Caribbean without any due process.