| ▲ | Aurornis 9 hours ago | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
The key point for me was not the rewrite in Go or even the use of AI, it was that they started with this architecture: > The reference implementation is JavaScript, whereas our pipeline is in Go. So for years we’ve been running a fleet of jsonata-js pods on Kubernetes - Node.js processes that our Go services call over RPC. That meant that for every event (and expression) we had to serialize, send over the network, evaluate, serialize the result, and finally send it back. > This was costing us ~$300K/year in compute, and the number kept growing as more customers and detection rules were added. For something so core to the business, I'm baffled that they let it get to the point where it was costing $300K per year. The fact that this only took $400 of Claude tokens to completely rewrite makes it even more baffling. I can make $400 of Claude tokens disappear quickly in a large codebase. If they rewrote the entire thing with $400 of Claude tokens it couldn't have been that big. Within the range of something that engineers could have easily migrated by hand in a reasonable time. Those same engineers will have to review and understand all of the AI-generated code now and then improve it, which will take time too. I don't know what to think. These blog articles are supposed to be a showcase of engineering expertise, but bragging about having AI vibecode a replacement for a critical part of your system that was questionably designed and costing as much as a fully-loaded FTE per year raises a lot of other questions. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | ezst 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
>> This was costing us ~$300K/year in compute, and the number kept growing as more customers and detection rules were added. > For something so core to the business, I'm baffled that they let it get to the point where it was costing $300K per year. And this, this is the core/true/insightful story the executives will never hear about. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | hansvm 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I mostly agree, but it's more appropriate to weigh contributions against an FTE's output rather than their input. If I have a $10m/yr feature I'm fleshing out now and a few more lined up afterward, it's often not worth the time to properly handle any minor $300k/yr boondoggle. It's only worth comparing to an FTE's fully loaded cost when you're actually able to hire to fix it, and that's trickier since it takes time away from the core team producing those actually valuable features and tends to result in slower progress from large-team overhead even after onboarding. Plus, even if you could hire to fix it, wouldn't you want them to work on those more valuable features first? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | andai 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Yeah, it's like those posts "we made it 5,000x faster by actually thinking about what the code is doing." | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | raincole an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> Those same engineers will have to review and understand all of the AI-generated code now and then improve it, which will take time too. Will they? What makes you think so? If no one cared to improve it when it costed $300k/year, no one will care it when it's cheaper now. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | SkyPuncher 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
In my experience, a lot of these types of migrations aren't incredibly deep in terms of actual code being written. It's about being able to assess all of the affected facets accurately. Once that's all mapped out, it's pretty straight forward to migrate. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | heavyset_go 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I wonder how much it would have cost them if they weren't paying cloud rates for all of that, and they kept the same general inefficient architecture, sans the Kubernetes bloat. Doubt they'd have a blog post to write about that, though. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | andersmurphy 40 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Wonder if the real value of LLMs/AI is similar to microservices in that it solves an organisational/culture problem. In this case AI allowed the developer to make a change that the organisation would not have allowed. Regular rewrites don't let you signal to investors that you are AI ready/ascendant/agentic (whatever the latest AI hype term is) so would have been blocked. But, an AI rewrite. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | hobofan 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> If they rewrote the entire thing with $400 of Claude tokens it couldn't have been that big. The original is ~10k lines of JS + a few hundred for a test harness. You can probably oneshot this with a $20/month Codex subscription and not even use up your daily allowance. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | deckar01 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
You aren’t accounting for managerial politics. A product manager won’t gamble on a large project to lower operating cost, when their bonus is based on customer acquisition metrics. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | jackkinsella an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
A more charitable explanation would be that they were under product pressure for more features and were never given the slack time to even explore this angle. Happens a lot. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | otherme123 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
>If they rewrote the entire thing with $400 of Claude tokens it couldn't have been that big. It was "A few iterations and some 7 hours later - 13,000 lines of Go with 1,778 passing test cases." | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | hiyer 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I was thinking the same - if JSONata was a priority for them, why not choose a language with good support, like JS or Java? OTOH if development language was a priority why not choose a format that is well supported in it? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | neya 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
No offence, but inexperienced JS fanatics always do this because of some weird affectionado they have for the language itself. Otherwise, even a decently qualified CTO would have chosen to keep everything in Go from the beginning or might have not waited until they were bleeding $300k. JS is also the worst possible language choice for this problem. So, it definitely sounds a bunch of script kiddies with fancy titles bought with VC money rather than actual experience. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | cogogo 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Think this is pure piggyback marketing on what cloudflare did with next.js. In my experience a company that raised $30MM a month ago is extremely unlikely to be investing energy in cost rationalization/optimization. edit: saw the total raise not the incremental 30MM | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | arjie 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I've seen it happen and it's usually just Normalization of Deviance in an organization that is focusing on something else. Someone needs some kind of functionality and Kube makes creating services trivial so they launch it into a different service[0]. Over time, while people are working on important things this thing occasionally has load issues so someone goes and bumps the maxReplicas up periodically. Eventually you come back to it a year later and maxReplicas is at 24 and you've removed the code paths for almost everything that is hitting the server except some inexplicable hot-loop. Then you look at it and you're like "Jesus! What the fuck, I meant to have this be a stop-gap". I've done as bad when at near 100% duty-cycle. Often you're targeting just the primary thing that's blocking some revenue and if you get caught yak-shaving you're screwed. A year ago, I did one of these things because I was in the middle of two projects that were blocking a potential hundred-million in revenue. A year down the line, Claude Opus 4.6 could have live-solved it. But Claude of that time would have required some time and attention and I was doing something else. That engineering team is some 15 people strong and the company is at $400m+ revenue. If you saw the code, you'd wonder why anyone would have done something like this. 0: I once did this because some inscrutable code/library was tying us to an old runtime so I just encapsulated it in HTTP and moved it into a service. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | hparadiz 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I've been refactoring stuff with a $20 ChatGPT account. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | antonvs 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Completely agree. We have > $50m from our most recent funding round, and even a cloud expense of $50k/year (in our case for storage) is considered a high priority to address. If it was $300k, our CTO would be running around with a butane torch setting everyone’s hair on fire until the problem was resolved. But, venture funding does create a lot of weird inefficiencies which vary from company to company. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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