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vrganj 3 hours ago

Framing this as the EU's attempt is antieuropean propaganda.

It is the Conservatives attempt. The EU parliament is the entity that shot it down last time.

elzbardico 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

EU is not a synonym of Europe. EU propagandists don't get to define what Europe means.

Second. Who gave you the right to define antieuropean union propaganda as a sin.

Some people may hate it, some people may love it, other want to change it.

It was created by vote, surely it can be whatever the fuck the way the people want by vote.

vrganj 3 hours ago | parent [-]

EU is a synonym for Europe in colloquial conversation the same way USA is a synonym for America.

Findecanor 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Except for in one EU country wherein English is a native language, "America" is a not a country but a very large continent.

vrganj 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Das musst du jetzt aber mal den Amerikanern erklären ;-)

Findecanor 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Oder... sie könnten jemanden aus Süd- oder Mittelamerika fragen, was das Wort „Amerika“ für ihn bedeutet.

vrganj 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Entiendo como se sienten los otros Americanos.

But it doesn't change the fact of the matter that in English (and not only English! German, too, as demonstrated), these words have different meanings.

GalaxyNova 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

this is just wrong

Findecanor 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't follow EU politics that much, but I know that one of the strongest proponents for it has been from the Swedish Social Democratic party, which has dominated Swedish politics.

So, in my view this is not really a "left" or "right" thing, but something that is pushed by people you could call "the establishment".

vrganj 3 hours ago | parent [-]

The vote has literally been scheduled by the EPP, the EU grouping of conservative parties.

Pay08 3 hours ago | parent [-]

And that means only they can support it? This isn't the USA, there's no 2 party system where everything "we" do is good and everything "the other side" does is bad.

vrganj 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm not saying only they support it, nor do I believe most groupings in the EU are "good". I'm only saying the ones currently working on overturning the parliament vote are the Conservatives, seeing how they're the ones trying to force a revote.

oytis 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

European Commission is basically as close to being EU's government as it can be, it is fair to say these are the people that represent EU now. Much like it's fair to say that US is bombing Iran even if not all of the US is doing that.

pcrh 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Exactly. EU legislation is currently far more respecting of privacy than is legislation in the UK or the US.

For various, and unclear, reasons, there is substantial backing to change this.

EmbarrassedHelp 2 hours ago | parent [-]

In the UK, Apple is now blocking users from using any web browser to access "non-PG" content unless the user submits to privacy violating age verification. Apple blocks you at the OS level, making VPNs useless.

ImJamal 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It seems like it is bipartisan to me. Do you have the statistics to back up your claim?

Pay08 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is how political messaging has worked since I was born.

soulofmischief 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Fight Chat Control is a website maintained by a European. It is no more anti-European than I, an American, speaking about the latest antics of our conservative-led government and saying, "The US government is attempting to ____".

ab5tract 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Can you clarify what you mean? The linked website makes it seem that the majority MEPs of the supporting countries are on board. Are all of the (listed as) supporting countries currently under conservative governments?

AnssiH 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The majority of the MEPs are not onboard mandatory scanning, otherwise that would've been passed already.

The site is conflating mandatory scanning with voluntary scanning (status quo). The upcoming vote is about continuing the voluntary scanning (which would otherwise expire).

vaylian 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The "voluntary" scanning is still mass surveillance of private messages. We as technologist tend to rely on technical methods to protect our private data. But non-technical people should also enjoy confidential communication, even if they don't actively protect their conversations.

lostmsu 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> voluntary scanning

What is that? A setting in OS?

vrganj 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

To quote the banner on said website:

> The Conservatives (EPP) are attempting to force a new vote on Thursday (26th), seeking to reverse Parliament's NO on indiscriminate scanning.

The vote itself is being forced by the EPP. This article by an MEP has more info: https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/the-battle-over-chat-contro...

freehorse 3 hours ago | parent [-]

This does not mean that only EPP supports the bill, though.

vrganj 3 hours ago | parent [-]

No, but it does mean the attempt is attributable to them.

iso1631 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

There are two elements to the EU

The Council, which is headed by the government of each member state in equal measure - similar to the Senate in the US

And Parliament, which are directly elected by the people, with each member state having representitives in proportion to their population, so Germany has far more than Ireland. This is similar to Congress.

Now this site says Germany supports it, but then says that MEPS

> 49 oppose, 47 in favor (45 confirmed, 2 presumed based on government stance)

I would thus infer that the "most member states" refer to the national governments (that were elected by their population) position and not the direct MEP position.

However a quick look at the json it's loading and I can't see

Now as the parliament has blocked it, a grouping, the "EPP" (Think Ronald Reagan type republicans) is trying to use their influence to bring it back to a vote.

> "The Conservatives (EPP) are attempting to force a new vote on Thursday (26th), seeking to reverse Parliament's NO on indiscriminate scanning. This is a direct attack on democracy and blatant disregard for your right to privacy."

sgt 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Is that fair? Ireland should surely have a say the same way Germany does in parliament too, if it's affecting Ireland just as much. If one considers countries as units.

izacus 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah, it's like saying "USA wants to poison children still!" when a Republican files another deranged bill in their state.

freehorse 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The last version of chat control was pushed by Denmark, which presided the european council until december, and with a social democratic prime minister (coalition government with social democrats the majority). The "conservatives push for chat control" is not really accurate, a bit part of social democrats are also supporting it.

vrganj 3 hours ago | parent [-]

That is true, but this attempt is led by the Conservatives. Not more, not less.

9dev 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This. There's a very specific group of twisted people that drive this, but equating that with the entire EU is flat out wrong.