| ▲ | Mistletoe a day ago |
| I wonder why the beauty premium remained for males after the switch to online but not in females? |
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| ▲ | CodeyWhizzBang a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| The article says: Why is beauty a productivity-enhancing attribute for males in non-quantitative subjects? Generally, it is difficult to disentangle the reasons behind why beauty improves productivity (Hamermesh and Parker, 2005). However, relative to other students, attractive men are more successful in peer influence, and are more persistent, a personality trait positively linked to academic outcomes (Dion and Stein, 1978, Alan et al., 2019). In addition, attractive individuals are more socially skilled, have more open social networks, and are more popular vis-à-vis physically unattractive peers (Feingold, 1992). Importantly, possession of these traits is significantly linked to creativity (Soda et al., 2021). In our setting, the tasks faced by students in non-quantitative subjects, for instance in marketing and supply chain management, are likely to be seen as more ”creative”, and significantly contrast the more traditional book-reading and problem-solving in mathematics and physics courses, the latter presumably perceived as more monotonous. Together with the large use of group assignments in non-quantitative courses, these theoretical results imply that socially skilled individuals are likely to have a comparative advantage in non-quantitative subjects. |
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| ▲ | dude250711 a day ago | parent | next [-] | | I guess even attractive males have to work hard. One gender still has to approach, the other gender still waits to be approached. | |
| ▲ | cubefox a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | "possession of these traits is significantly linked to creativity (Soda et al., 2021)" - This might be a hint that male attractiveness is correlated with IQ. Explicitly mentioning associations with IQ is taboo in academia. | | |
| ▲ | fn-mote a day ago | parent | next [-] | | That's an interesting take given that the previous sentence specifically lists "these traits" and none of them sounds like "IQ": > attractive individuals are more socially skilled, have more open social networks I'd say you need different evidence if you want to grind that axe. | | |
| ▲ | cubefox a day ago | parent [-] | | Among the Big 5 personality traits, Openness to Experience is the one most correlated with IQ. |
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| ▲ | atwrk a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | And have you tried to find out why IQ associations are "taboo" in academia? | | |
| ▲ | cubefox a day ago | parent [-] | | Yes. Have you tried to find out why making certain pieces of scientific knowledge taboo has had very bad consequences in the past? | | |
| ▲ | atwrk a day ago | parent [-] | | Well I happen to have a phd in that broader domain. It's not censorship, as you imply, but IQ is just way fuzzier a concept than people outside of this area of research think. The popular view is IQ is an objective thing, exactly measurable and so on (the metaphor of brains being computers, essentially). In reality you can put a 14 year old from a bad environment into an optimal environment and their IQ increases by up to 20 points over a view years. | | |
| ▲ | cubefox a day ago | parent [-] | | IQ is highly heritable, so I don't think there is any environmental factor that has this big an impact, except in extreme cases like severe malnutrition. Also note that IQ increases with age roughly into early adulthood independently of environment, so the IQ of a 14 year old increasing is a perfectly normal part of the heritable parts of development. | | |
| ▲ | atwrk 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Obviously scientists have thought about that and therefore administer age-adjusted IQ tests for different cohorts, precisely with the aim of IQ staying constant during aging of an individual. And yet here we are. You really don't need a censorship conspiracy to explain these things. I'd recommend you try to challenge your assumptions about IQ and heritability by downloading a few textbooks about the topics. Many many papers are freely available, and the textbooks are let's say easy to find. You could try textbooks about a more accessible area like developmental psychology as it is more easily accessible and still covers these topics quite well. | | |
| ▲ | cubefox 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | The problem with the "I'm right, you are wrong, educate yourself" reply is that, because of the taboo, different books will say vastly different things about this topic. So you have to decide which books are the "good" ones and which are the "bad" ones. |
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| ▲ | tptacek 21 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | What's "highly"? It's likely somewhere between 15%-50% --- weak-to-medium, if you read it as a correlation coefficient. | | |
| ▲ | cubefox 20 hours ago | parent [-] | | IQ is about as heritable as body height. > The results show that the heritability of IQ reaches an asymptote at about 0.80 at 18–20 years of age and continuing at that level well into adulthood. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/twin-research-and-hu... | | |
| ▲ | tptacek 20 hours ago | parent [-] | | 2013 is the phlogiston era of this science. Even the hereditarians hedge on the 0.80 claim now. | | |
| ▲ | cubefox 19 hours ago | parent [-] | | Source? | | |
| ▲ | tptacek 19 hours ago | parent [-] | | Alex Strudwick Young. | | |
| ▲ | cubefox 18 hours ago | parent [-] | | Link? | | |
| ▲ | tptacek 18 hours ago | parent [-] | | He's pretty easy to find. I'm not messing with you, he's just the most obvious example that came to my head. For I think kind of obvious reasons? | | |
| ▲ | cubefox 16 hours ago | parent [-] | | If you are unable to provide a specific source for your claim, you probably made it up. | | |
| ▲ | tptacek 16 hours ago | parent [-] | | If you don't know the people doing work in this field today, and instead are just Googling "heritability of IQ numbers" (which would explain the Wilson Effect paper you kind of inexplicably posted) you can find previous threads that I've discussed this in using the search bar below. Either way, "you probably just made this up" is not OK on HN. | | |
| ▲ | Jensson 14 hours ago | parent [-] | | Do you have any argument as to why what a social scientist says today is more valid than what one said 20 years ago? I'd trust social scientists less today than 20 years ago due to the effect of social media on them. Social media creates much stronger social pressure on people to conform, and that isn't a good thing for science. | | |
| ▲ | tptacek 14 hours ago | parent [-] | | Alex Strudwick Young isn't a "social scientist". | | |
| ▲ | Jensson 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | Ah ok, yeah genetics science has came a long way 20 years so there it makes more sense to listen to modern stuff, but why the scare quotes? Do you have a problem with social scientists? Edit: Looked him up and he disagrees with you. "My sense is that heritability of IQ is in the range of 30-70% with very high confidence.", you said "It's likely somewhere between 15%-50%". There is a massive difference between 30-70 and 15-50, 30-70 sounds much more reasonable and matches most studies on the subject I have seen. https://x.com/AlexTISYoung/status/1889044121433571803 | | |
| ▲ | tptacek 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | No, I don't. But you've lost track of the thread, because I didn't claim he said 15-50%. There's a reason I cited him where I did: to point out how silly the 0.80 estimate the previous commenter's cite was in current context. His antecedent in this thread is "even hereditarians...". | | |
| ▲ | Jensson 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | But now we have an authority figure saying 30-70, so I'll trust that over your 15-50. And yes I know why you didn't cite the 30-70, its because you disagree with it. You shouldn't say others use biased examples and then say you believe it could be as low as 15% without anything to back that up. | | |
| ▲ | tptacek 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | He didn't use a "biased example"; he used a prehistoric example based on premodern methology. The only thing we've established here is that he doesn't understand his own cite. later In other words, I deliberately cited someone on his side of the debate. How much do I love that this person got promoted from woke social scientist to "authority figure" in the space of one Google query, though? Amazing. |
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| ▲ | nathan_compton a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=IQ Yes, crickets. | | |
| ▲ | cubefox 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | https://www.aporiamagazine.com/p/how-to-lose-tenure-with-one... | | |
| ▲ | tptacek 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Brian Pesta was fired for malfeasance. Specifically, he gained access to data sets not authorized for his race/IQ research and not only published bullshit race/IQ stuff off it, but also (as I understand it) circulated that data to a small community of race/IQ weirdos. That's a grave violation. The data sets in question are extremely valuable for all kinds of science, and the reason they exist is that the people donating their data trust it won't be used for noncompliant reasons. It's not substantially different than a company like 23 Or Me surreptitiously giving your genomic data to their weird Substacker friends. Plenty of people do legitimate race/IQ work. You managed to find cite the one person who managed to do it tortiously. | |
| ▲ | nathan_compton 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | "How to lose tenure with one sentence": "Maybe it will be fine to pursue my career in Florida." Anyway, my point stands - there is plenty of research on IQ. Only if you are specifically interested in correlating IQ with genetics have ethicists at large determined your research may be harmful. We can debate about that, I guess, but the idea that one cannot use IQ in research is a hyperbole. | | |
| ▲ | nathan_compton 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Actually, I want to add something to this. The general vibe in this research area is NOT that you cannot compare IQ with genes. Indeed, its more or less an accepted fact that some portion of IQ and measures like it are indeed heritable. The specific issue this person faced is in the use of race. I'm not suggesting that we accept all the woke orthodoxy whole cloth, but race really is a socially constructed concept. No person out there in the world is "of a given race" as a scientific fact. People have genes, they don't have races. The scientific community recognizes that genes influence intelligence, but has no interest in promulgating the frankly dumb idea that humans have distinct races, probably because the last time people got really into that idea it lead to concentration camps, apartheid, and the pointless destruction of vast swaths of human potential. The main issue with the research described is that it uses genes to construct a racial narrative. If that is the world you want to live in, you do you, I guess, but I would prefer that people not be pigeon holed on the basis of (for example) arbitrary qualities like "European Ancestry," which the person explicitly states they constructed a sort of genetic fingerprint for. In a meritocratic society people should be judged on their performance, not some inference people make about what genes they have on the basis of their level of melanin, to refer to the study this guy is talking about. |
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| ▲ | threethirtytwo a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's easy. For women the core of their power anthropologically lies with beauty. They are judged by it and the core of their power stems from it. That is why there is a beauty industry that centers around women and none for men. That is why women "care" about beauty much more than men. They know that beauty = power. Women rely on beauty for success much more than men. It is not just in terms of "grades". Even in engineering jobs you can see it, a beautiful woman can get armies of male engineers to "help" her. I literally saw one female engineer get 2 male engineers to spend 3 weeks on a project for her just by virtue of the fact she's a woman. And she's not even aware of this. Like she thinks people are just "nice". But men are not conditioned to ask other men for this kind of help and we can't expect 2 idiots to spend weeks on a "favor" for someone else. We live in a world that tries to deny this reality with "gender equality" but these cultural ideas fly in the face of millions of years of biological evolution. Now that being said. We very much expect that the grades of women should go down when not in person to a degree MUCH MUCH more than men. That is completely is expected. The question now is, why was there even a correlation of better grades and beauty among men in the first place? Why did that correlation exist when men do not rely on beauty? That is the anomaly here. I think part of the answer is clear. Beautiful men do not rely on beauty for success. They never did hence why when you removed it as a factor the success rate did not change. What's going on I suspect is even more controversial: Beauty correlates with intelligence. This is not an insane notion. We already know that height correlates with intelligence, but it is likely beauty does too. Edit: I looked it up, https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01602... And it looks like my guess was true. This is indeed what's going on. |
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| ▲ | atmavatar a day ago | parent | next [-] | | > And she's not even aware of this. Like she thinks people are just "nice". Social graces require that she play it off as people being "nice", but I guarantee you she knows precisely what's going on. Women aren't stupid. She may have even deliberately cultivated this relationship, but that's not something a rando internet person like I can determine. | | |
| ▲ | renewiltord a day ago | parent | next [-] | | > Women aren't stupid Some half of women are below average intelligence. | |
| ▲ | threethirtytwo a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | You're right. Many women know what's going on. But many actually don't. A lot of women live in this contradictory state where they know subconsciously but consciously they don't know at the same time. To help illustrate... It's the same type of human contradiction many software engineers face with AI, unable to admit that it's in the process replacing a skillset that upheld their identity. It's a form of lying to oneself... convincingly. I would say off the seat of my pants if I were to give you very very estimated numbers.... like 45% know explicitly what they are doing, than 35% live in this contradictory state I described above, and a good 20% have no clue. >She may have even deliberately cultivated this relationship Oh many women do this. But they don't necessarily know that these relationships only exist because they are beautiful and that they are women. Again... many know... but not all know. >Women aren't stupid. This isn't true. Many women are really stupid. Many women are smart too. |
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| ▲ | circlefavshape a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > For women the core of their power anthropologically lies with beauty Physical attractiveness is a social asset, and it's a more useful asset for a woman because men are affected by how women look more than the other way around - that's all fair enough ... but "the core of their power anthropologically lies with beauty" is a bizarre framing. | | |
| ▲ | threethirtytwo a day ago | parent [-] | | It's not bizarre. It's truth that's hard to accept in modern times. Also you need to look at this from the perspective of prehistoric times that made up most of human evolution. Modern culture and technology has made it so that a women on their own could in theory gain as much power and capability as a man so the dynamics are more equal now in terms of opportunities but they are still unequal in terms of biology and genetic behavior/instincts. Think about who goes hunting? Who builds the house. Who farms the farm? The man. A women does not have the strength to be the primary driver behind all these tasks. She can assist, but, again, she is not the primary driver simply because she does not have the intrinsic strength to do these things. The further you go into the past, technology becomes less relevant and physical strength becomes more of a requirement for survival. In prehistoric times, a women's status lies primarily in what man she is able to "control" to take care of her because her strength and capabilities render her biologically much less capable in the prehistoric world. Of course this also begs the question of what happens to a woman when she gets old and ugly? Where does she get her power from? She gets it from her man. In prehistoric times, women needed to secure a man when young and at the prime of her power... than she sires his children and through that is able to secure life time protection from that man well into old age when she loses her beauty. That's how it worked for millions of years and that is what is baked genetically into her biological instincts. You're right it does sound bizarre in modern times. Also very taboo to frame things this way. But it's also the underlying reality. You need to think of things from this perspective rather than the perspective of what's "taboo". It's only bizarre because society has conditioned you to look away from the cold hard truth. The key here that you need to realize is that women in power is very recent phenomenon. You see women CEO's, women going for the presidency, and women founding startups. This is all very recent and enabled mostly by technology. Historically, this is not how female power presented itself. | | |
| ▲ | circlefavshape a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Nah, it is bizarre. > You need to think of things from this perspective rather than the perspective of what's "taboo". It's only bizarre because society has conditioned you to look away from the cold hard truth. Haha good lord. Of course you have access to the cold hard truth that I'm too foolish to see! Your fixation on "power" (whatever that means) is incredibly reductive, and I expect your knowledge of human behaviour is rather limited | | |
| ▲ | threethirtytwo 20 hours ago | parent [-] | | You’re the one being reductive. Power is an incredibly broad term that encompasses many dimensions that different across species and gender. You irreducibly assumed the singular most negative interpretation of my usage of the word and you deliberately attacked my character personally. Please keep the debate impersonal. If you disagree and believe my arguments are without merit please attack the arguments rather than my character. Thank you. |
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| ▲ | Mezzie a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | What I find interesting about comments like this is how revelatory they are of the worldview of the people writing them. It's always interesting to see which facts about the primal human experience are left out when this kind of thing is discussed. For example, I'm betting you're a male who likes women who's between the age of 20 and 45 and likely doesn't have children (I'm pretty sure on male between 20 and 45, but children could go either way). Consider the assumptions present in: "Of course this also begs the question of what happens to a woman when she gets old and ugly? Where does she get her power from? She gets it from her man." The assumption there being the only reason a man would protect a woman is because she's pretty and she's having sex with them, likely because the sexual relationship is the main way you're looking at women at this point in your life. Even if we assume women can only derive power from male proximity in nature, there's an obvious alternative answer to where she would derive power from: Her sons and grandsons. If she lives through her childbearing years, a woman in nature is far more likely to live to old age than her male mate: She has better resistance to famine, a better immune system, and if we assume the rigid gender role evo-psych of men = hunters and women = gatherers, she also engages in far less physically risky activities. Even if 'her man' is alive, the odds of him being crippled or simply unable to protect her from younger, fitter men are high. A 35 year old son or 18 year old grandson is far more valuable for protection, and far more stable: a man is always her son/grandson, whereas if we're assuming the red pillish evo-psych is true, 'her man' probably has wandering eyes and would like a younger woman and therefore should not be counted on to stick around once she dares to have wrinkles and saggy breasts. Additionally, a man who doesn't protect his mother is failing at one of the basic tests of belonging to a human tribe: Basic reciprocity. If a man won't give to the one person who took care of him when she gained nothing/he was at his most vulnerable, then how can his fellow hunters (who he's less attached to) trust that he'll reciprocate when they help him? This assumption also outright dismisses the bonds between say, a brother and a sister. Do you think most men wouldn't protect their sisters because they're not sex objects? Older women are also far more able to keep contributing to the tribe than older men if we adhere to this strictly gendered idea of primitive humans. They can care for children while women in their prime gather, they can rear children whose mothers have died (and this is common due to the fatality rate of childbirth), they can take care of the sick, etc. A man who can't keep up with his male duties is far less useful - a man who is over 60 and has 60-80% of the speed and strength of his fellows, or a bad limb, or sensory impairments, is far less able to hunt than a woman over 60 is to caretake. They're more likely to live longer and therefore a better repository of historical knowledge. Idk, I just always find it interesting which physiological and psychological aspects of humanity are ignored or unmentioned whenever someone is making some kind of argument about primal gender roles. | | |
| ▲ | threethirtytwo 21 hours ago | parent [-] | | Bro you made many assumptions. First women today have plenty of power. A lot of times more so than men. I only refer to prehistoric times. Men primarily drived survival in prehistoric times. Without a man a women could not survive. That doesn’t mean she couldn’t contribute it means she was not the primary driver. Women contribute a lot, but that contribution is in the end supplementary because it is not critical for survival and this definitely shapes evolved behavior. It means for survival a man is required for her, this is asymmetric for a man and you can see this in how women and men select mates. Men select based off of superficial markers for fertility. Women select more on practical markers for capability. This is because a women’s survival is dependent on the man’s capability while a man’s survival is not as much dependent on this. Additionally please don’t make the argument personal. If you disagree attack the argument don’t attack or make assumptions about my character. Thank you. | | |
| ▲ | Mezzie 19 hours ago | parent [-] | | Sis, actually. I wasn't speaking of the modern day either; I was only addressing prehistoric times - specifically the time before agriculture since we're discussing humanity at its earliest points. Prehistoric =/= tribal, incidentally. I brought up your identity because it's relevant to the assumptions that you're making, and specifically it's causing you to miss very wide aspects of the human experience that are very relevant to the discussion you want to have. I see this a lot in these discussions (and before you get upset, that includes from women: the bad feminist argument that prehistoric people were completely gender egalitarian or matriarchal is just as much wishcrafting). In this case, you're assuming that every single prehistoric human being approached power acquisition and gender relations the way you do. I find these discussions intellectually dishonest: You very clearly have a point of view regarding male superiority and want to convey that using objective language to prove your rationality. I didn't make assumptions about your character, I made assumptions about your age and sex. I also did attack your argument, because it's a weak argument, and you didn't address my points at all. You're being evasive on purpose and attempting to pass yourself off as rational person making an objective argument, but you're completely ignoring extremely relevant facts and data and spewing things that are completely false. It's adorable that you think men can survive without women (condescension fully intended). This is pre agriculture. No domesticated animals. Every single one of those men spent at least a year completely dependent on a woman: birth to 12 months. No breast milk? No men. Older men are also going to be reliant on women for caretaking, as are sick men. What you mean when you say 'men can survive without women' is 'healthy men aged 15 to 50 can survive without women on a daily basis'. Yes, men can take care of the ill, but women can also build houses. To call women's contributions supplementary when nobody would reach the age of 3 without them is fantastic. Thank you for that. It's hilarious, and it makes it so clear what your informational sources are. Infants living aren't crucial for survival? You also ignore the social ties of early humans, which is ridiculous given we're a social species. The main dangers to early human women that weren't faced by early human men are childbirth and early human men. It's likely true that a woman benefited from male protection from other men, but it's untrue that this protection is only afforded via giving sexual access. A man will protect his mother. A man will protect his sister. Hell, you even said yourself that a woman got protection by bearing him children: Did you mean only sons? Do you think early human fathers would just shrug if someone tried to hurt their daughters because they weren't having sex with her? Women and men needed each other to survive, but that is a different argument from 'the only way a woman can receive male protection is by being young, hot, and giving it up.' Likewise, a sister will tend to her brother, a daughter will care for her aging father, and a mother will help her son with his children if his wife dies. Human bonds and gender relations go far beyond sexual relationships, even if they're important, and you just are completely ignoring that so that you can feel good. That's what this argument is actually about, and that's why I think it's intellectually dishonest. And this is still granting you the foundations of the argument, which are also bad. Yes, it's very likely that gender roles have existed since homo sapiens sapiens evolved. It's also pretty likely those roles had at least some flexibility, since complete specialization requires a certain population density and nature is cruel and full of terrors. If your entire hunting party ends up TPKed, you want at least a few women who can hunt so they can teach the oldest boys left in the tribe and the knowledge isn't lost. Likewise, you want some of the men able to perform 'feminine' duties in case something happens to the women who know those things: If the men want their culture to continue and most of their women die, they're going to want the women they kidnap to be able to do things like know what plants are edible in their particular territory, etc. Humans are adaptable before we are anything else. Being overly rigid with roles when you live in groups of ~150 in a world where you have no writing, no domesticated plants or animals, and only basic stone tools isn't going to serve you. Efficiency and resilience are trade offs, and when you have very little margin for error and replacing members of the tribe is costly, it makes more sense to spread out knowledge and tasks so that there are fewer single points of failure. You probably want your medical experts teaching multiple students so that if one dies of a fever or in a hunting accident there are other options. You probably want more than one midwife, so your tribe isn't fucked if she dies. And so on. | | |
| ▲ | threethirtytwo 19 hours ago | parent [-] | | Bro. No. This post is offensive and personal. It’s targetted as personal and an attack on my character. Using words like “adorable” is deliberate and calculated. I stopped reading the minute you tried justify your personal attack. I will not entertain this bullshit and it’s against the rules. | | |
| ▲ | circlefavshape 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | The rules? Stop clutching your pearls for a minute and maybe you'll learn something | | |
| ▲ | threethirtytwo 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Your condescending tone makes this not worth engaging in. Good day. | | |
| ▲ | circlefavshape a minute ago | parent [-] | | I came back cos I felt a bit guilty. You're right - I was condescending and I'm sorry I think your model of men's social status being solely based on strength, and women's on beauty, is too simplistic to be useful. Even male chimpanzees' status isn't based solely on strength (social grooming and coalition building are also really important), and female chimpanzees' status is not based on the males they attract. Human societies are complex, and people can be useful to the group in a zillion different ways. Men were never only hunters/warriors, and women were never only wives/mothers. Even in societies where almost all food was from hunting it needed to be processed and preserved, and that work was very often done by women. A beautiful woman who takes shortcuts when preserving meat and runs the risk of poisoning the whole family does not make a good wife The core of anyone's power is how useful they are to people around them. If you're beautiful that can be part of your usefulness, but if that's all you have to offer then you're not going to be very powerful |
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| ▲ | mschuster91 a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | > That is why there is a beauty industry that centers around women and none for men. Oh us men also have a beauty industry - or, I should rather say, an attractiveness industry. We just get sold different, and arguably far more pricier, things... luxury watches and cars, tailor-made suits and shoes, grooming, gym memberships. And similar to how women got anorexia through unhealthy beauty standards for decades, that comes back to bite us men this time with "looksmaxxers" [1]... > Clavicular attributes his looks to, among other things, taking testosterone from the age of 14 and smashing his jawbone with a hammer to supposedly reshape his lower face - neither of which is recommended by health professionals. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx28z4zypkno | | |
| ▲ | threethirtytwo a day ago | parent [-] | | No. These aren't beauty. It's status symbols. They are symbols of power, capability and utility. Men are judged by raw power and capability. The industry for beauty for men is more of a way for men to advertise raw capability. It is not "beauty" for "beauties" sake. The beauty industry for women is more superficial. Make up for example serves nothing for status and everything for youth and beauty. Now there are things like expensive jewelry... but this stuff doesn't help women in terms of attractiveness. That is not to say that women don't wear symbols of power...Jewelry is more of a status symbol for women advertising their status to other women: "Look at what my man got me, look at the power and status of a man that is in love with my beauty." That is not to say beauty doesn't help men. But it does to a much lesser degree than women. Also your citation is a news article documenting a phenomenon. You need numbers to answer the question: Is this phenomenon an anomaly?? Or is it common place? I think the answer is obvious, I mean the stuff I talk about here isn't anything new. It's just hard to talk about it because our culture has conditioned us to look away from the truth and more at artificial ideals of equality and balance. Men and women in reality are not equal. And this inequality doesn't necessarily "balance" out like yin and yang. | | |
| ▲ | anal_reactor a day ago | parent [-] | | The problem is that once people become aware how the society actually functions because of our biology, the social contract will collapse. | | |
| ▲ | threethirtytwo a day ago | parent [-] | | First, it's very unlikely all people will become aware of it. Our culture has made it taboo to even think in this direction. Second, nothing will change. People will still behave based off of their instincts and underlying biology. Awareness of the underlying biology doesn't change anything. Men are very much always attracted to young women with nice curves even though they are well aware that this attraction is just an irrational biological instinct. Awareness does not change behavior, therefore, society will not collapse. | | |
| ▲ | anal_reactor a day ago | parent [-] | | Not necessarily. IMO the current demographic collapse can be mostly explained by people asking themselves whether they want children rather than just blindly putting penis into vagina. | | |
| ▲ | threethirtytwo a day ago | parent [-] | | No part of population growth was addiction to sex. Even people who didn’t want children would have children simply by wanting to fuck. That changed with birth control. People still blindly put penises into vaginas and now more than ever women are blindly letting in more and more penises when in the past they were much more guarded. | | |
| ▲ | anal_reactor a day ago | parent [-] | | > No part of population growth was addiction to sex. Bold claim. | | |
| ▲ | threethirtytwo 20 hours ago | parent [-] | | I mean that generally. We have sex for pleasure and for many it’s hard to abstain forever. I’m not referring to sex addiction as a chronic disease. | | |
| ▲ | anal_reactor 18 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yes. And sex results in babies. I cannot link to any resources backing that claim so you'll have to just trust me here. | | |
| ▲ | threethirtytwo 15 hours ago | parent [-] | | We have sex for pleasure. The baby is a side effect and that side effect is part of what caused population growth. Eliminate the side effect via birth control and people can now have sex for pleasure with no side effects. That is what is driving the population down. Your sarcastic remark here in a vain attempt to expose me only exposes your own complete misunderstanding. |
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| ▲ | jdthedisciple a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Perhaps some other (hidden) premium that only shows in males, like a confidence premium? |
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| ▲ | tokai a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Because its a small study with a biased population. |