| ▲ | beloch a day ago |
| The U.S. government shutdown has halted pay to the TSA, but not ICE, so ICE is taking over from the TSA in airports[1]. If you fly to the U.S., starting Monday apparently, the first think you're likely to see is masked gunmen giving you the eye. No thankyou. [1]https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cede0qyvqz3o |
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| ▲ | nandomrumber a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| Would anyone argue that the TSA, Theatre Security Agency, shouldn’t be defunded? |
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| ▲ | Macha a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Replacing it with nothing in an orderly fashion? Probably a good move. Replacing them with ICE as a political gesture? Not so much | |
| ▲ | derf_ a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The TSA is responsible for more than just airports. As someone with family who works (worked) on port security in the maritime division, I would argue that Chesterton's Fence [0] applies here just as much as anywhere else. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._K._Chesterton#Chesterton's_... | | |
| ▲ | stvltvs 18 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Many of us were alive when the TSA was created. It's not a mystery why it's there. (Mostly so politicians could say they did something to improve air travel security.) | | |
| ▲ | lazide 15 hours ago | parent [-] | | Well, and it did do something - make the experience more consistently mediocre. Which is indeed something. Previously, some airports were even more of a nightmare, and others were actually pleasant. |
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| ▲ | rendaw a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Ports had no security before 2001? What does TSA do there? | | |
| ▲ | LeChuck 21 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Ports did indeed have very little security before 2001 (compared to now). See ISPS code: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Ship_and_Port_Fa... | |
| ▲ | 5555624 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The Coast Guard has long been responsible for port security. TSA does administer TWIC, the Transportation Worker Identification Credential program, which is a biometric identification system go access to secure port facilities. | |
| ▲ | rawfan 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yeah, it was actually a lot of fun. I worked in a port-related area and often we would just cruise around the port and look at the ships. If it looked cool we would yell loudly and ask if we could come aboard. The seamen were usually thrilled to show us around their massive ships and would often invite us to a barbecue. With the introduction of the ISPS all of that was over in an instant. |
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| ▲ | tombert a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | There's an argument for that, though I think replacing it with Trump's basically-unregulated private military is pretty concerning. | |
| ▲ | hmmokidk a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This isn’t that. | |
| ▲ | vkou 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It shouldn't be defunded, because as stupid as it and the 2001 politics that spawned it were, anything MAGA will replace it with in 2026 would be way worse. | |
| ▲ | mlrtime 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Depends on what defunded means... if it means pay/control shifting from a Federal agency to local, then yes. Maning, airports / municipalities should be funding this. If airports were in control the the user experience, I bet you would see a lot better outcomes. | | |
| ▲ | vkou 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | > If airports were in control the the user experience, I bet you would see a lot better outcomes. Would you? It's not like I have a choice of which airport to fly out of. Maybe New Yorkers have options, but for the rest of us, there is only one that is an option. |
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| ▲ | a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | [deleted] |
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| ▲ | taneq a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I feel like "form your own private paramilitary organisation with minimal oversight, then expand their reach by having them take over the operations of other government departments" has been done before somewhere, as part of a larger plan. |
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| ▲ | nclin_ a day ago | parent | next [-] | | This is a historical pattern: Bringing border forces to bear against your own population, because those border forces are trained to deal with people who don't have the rights of the state. | |
| ▲ | gotwaz a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | They dont have all the skills to do anything super complex in a sustainable way. Already proved in the first term. What their existence demonstrates is winning election is not super complex if you can find enough groups to precisely target and pander/capture attention. Social media has been a force multiplier for such behavior and the people that have emerged dont have any other skill other than attention capture. But thats short term win like full focus on marketing while product and operations have no hope of catching up. Every "large plan" will fail. Large plans in complex ever changing environments always need massive cooperation of very different skills. Never happens sustainably with just one skill dominating all. | | |
| ▲ | mattoxic a day ago | parent [-] | | They dont have all the skills to do anything super complex in a sustainable way. And that's stopped them? | | |
| ▲ | gotwaz a day ago | parent [-] | | We know the answer. Whats stopping ebola or a hurricane from over running everything? |
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| ▲ | encrypted_bird a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | It has. (Unless you're being sarcastic, in which case I'm not surprised it went over my head. Lol.) | | |
| ▲ | ajkjk a day ago | parent | next [-] | | of course they were | | |
| ▲ | encrypted_bird a day ago | parent [-] | | Hey, tone doesn't translate well over text, they did not use anu tone tags, and I'm already terrible at reading tone in the best of times. Lol, can you really blame me for at least asking? Haha. | | |
| ▲ | ajkjk 15 hours ago | parent [-] | | I dunno, it is the most obvious nazi reference I've ever seen. Personally I feel like tone does translate well over text, although it's proportional to the speakers' familiarity in how to do it whereas for verbal communication it comes through without effort. Nothing wrong with asking of course. But maybe it's useful data that it was, in fact, obvious. |
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| ▲ | taneq a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yeah, I was aiming for irony but I should probably have added /s at the end there. It's definitely in the mid-late chapters in any "how to install a fascist regime" handbook. |
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| ▲ | diego_moita a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It will be so much fun to watch the World Cup from outside the US... |
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| ▲ | AceJohnny2 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > So ICE is taking over from the TSA in airports It's even more disgusting than that: "Tom Homan: ICE officers will not assist with airport security scanning amid TSA staffing shortage" https://thehill.com/policy/transportation/5795316-homan-ice-... |
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| ▲ | bananalychee a day ago | parent [-] | | I can't tell what's supposed to be disgusting about this unless you stopped reading past the inflammatory headline. |
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| ▲ | fundad a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Enter the country and you interact with CBP and that hasn't changed. CBP agents are the ones who murdered the legal observers in Minneapolis so there's that. TSA checks bags for commercial airlines which is a service that should never have been nationalized. |
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| ▲ | jordanb a day ago | parent [-] | | It would really be amazing if the end result of all of this is the post-9/11 DHS finally gets reverted back to what we had before. | | |
| ▲ | fundad 18 hours ago | parent [-] | | An amazing start. | | |
| ▲ | dizhn 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | Some airports started allowing bottled water already. We'll be back to pre 9/11 levels in 40 or so years. |
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| ▲ | bdangubic a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
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| ▲ | ohyoutravel a day ago | parent [-] | | TSA is mostly people who want a job and act pretty professionally in the hundreds or thousand times I’ve encountered them. ICE encourages people with anger issues who hate brown people to apply. These are not the same. | | |
| ▲ | bdangubic a day ago | parent [-] | | it isn’t about people and which group is mostly this or that. Americans have long accepted to have their Constitutional Rights violated at the airports so it really doesn’t matter if it is TSA or ICE or whatever three-letter gang runs it | | |
| ▲ | andrewflnr a day ago | parent [-] | | This is binary thinking that has no place in predicting the real world. In practice, the specific person violating your constitutional rights makes a big difference in how badly your rights are violated. | | |
| ▲ | bdangubic a day ago | parent [-] | | oh I love this… so good! like OK to violate me a little but don’t but know where to draw the line. this is like an excuse of a chronic domestic abuser, “I slapped her/him around a little but did not slam/her against a wall” | | |
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