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vrganj 19 hours ago

Here's the Vatican's article (in French): https://legrandcontinent.eu/fr/2026/03/14/thiel-heresie-bena...

The title translates to:

>American heresy: should Peter Thiel be burned at the stake?

kergonath 16 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Here's the Vatican's article (in French)

That is not the Vatican’s article at all. It’s just a website. You make it sound like the Catholic Church is openly discussing burning someone, it is not the case. And the trope "faut-il brûler … ?" is common in French and completely metaphorical. Again, nobody is advocating putting anyone on a bonfire.

vrganj 15 hours ago | parent [-]

The article on the website is written by the Pope's envoy on AI matters.

I think calling that "the Vatican's article" is fair.

Noumenon72 14 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's not as official as releasing a formal statement via the Holy See Press Office or some kind of encyclical. Made the headline feel a little misleading when I found out it was an op-ed.

vrganj 13 hours ago | parent [-]

Feels like a formal statement would be elevating Thiel too much.

But an article written by the Vatican's main guy on this very issue seems quite relevant still.

kergonath 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Well, no, because it is not an official statement. It also does not change anything about the other points.

lo_zamoyski 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

He is not an “envoy of AI matters”. He is an advisor to the pope on such questions.

The articles title is predictably uninformed, as the Church has not made any rebukes. It likely doesn’t have any special concern about Peter Thiel’s lectures; why should it, at least at this point? It’s not like we have a shortage of bad ideas in the world. And Benanti doesn’t have the authority to make pronouncements of that kind in the name of the Church.

The quotation is also odd, at least out of context:

“Thiel’s entire action can thus be read as a prolonged act of heresy against the liberal consensus: a challenge to the very foundations of civil coexistence, which he now considers outdated.”

Sure, he may very well be making statements that could fall under material heresy; I have not read them, because I don’t especially care about what Peter Thiel or much of the SV pseudo-intellectual class thinks. He may also be leaning into heretical ideas as a fulcrum against “liberalism”. However, the bit about liberal consensus admits a weird interpretation thus quoted. Anyone who knows anything about the Church knows that liberalism is not exactly held in high esteem by the Church, given that it is itself a Christian heresy. The Church has taken a stance of tolerance toward liberalism since it assumed dominance under the minimum condition that Catholics be allowed to practice their faith freely in fullness, but this is hardly an endorsement. It can acknowledge that the liberal order is less bad in many ways and relatively speaking than a host of other political orders, but it cannot give it principled support.

That being said, I am not criticizing Benanti’s critiques of Thiel, as I have no familiarity with them. I have heard mixed reactions to his views, but that’s about it. The issue I constantly have is the ridiculous pop-cultural caricatures of “the Vatican” that people seem to carry around in their heads. A papal advisor voices an (scholarly perhaps) opinion (that suits someone’s political aims, no less) and all of a sudden “THE VATICAN BORG CUBE” has made a pronouncement. Next we’ll hear that because the pope has said that the Chicago White Sox is the best baseball team, it is now a binding doctrine of the Church because of papal infallibility.

expedition32 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The Catholic church has a very shall we say complicated stance on democracy, freedom of religion and human rights. Nowadays they realise that the Western world has shifted from their theological and biblical position so they couch it in word salad sophistry.

notahacker 16 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Perhaps one unifying principle behind all the iterations of the Catholic church as social mores changed over time and its influence waxed and waned and was coopted by secular kingdoms, is that every single one of them might have written an article entitled "should Peter Thiel be burned at the stake", if someone had taken the time to explain Peter Thiel to them in terms they might understand. And concluded "yes, probably".

embedding-shape 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The "nowadays" Catholic church, for better or worse, is also very, very different from the Catholic church that existed before "nowadays". They don't even engage in holy wars anymore, as just one example, that's up to other governments nowadays.

mtrovo 15 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The interesting thing about religions as a whole is that the timespan is so big that you can really see how the backbone of the narrative stays the same while the fanbase and how they pick winners changes a lot, the Vatican state itself is a theocratic state created by an agreement between the pope and the Mussolini.

And if you wanna go back even further just remember that while Europe and christian countries were living in the dark ages the Islamic world was the one driving forward scientific knowledge and the exchange of ideas with the East. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age

nutjob2 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They're not selling 'indulgences' these days either.

TheOtherHobbes 13 hours ago | parent [-]

Luckily people like Paula White-Cain have picked up that banner and they're running it, hard.

vrganj 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

One could also say that a two millenia old institution has evolved alongside the rest of humanity.

mikkupikku 16 hours ago | parent [-]

Two thousand years and they still haven't figured out that Christ wasn't covering himself in gold and jewels. The Vatican has evolved, but not to conform to the ideals espoused by Christ. Note also that evolution isn't synonymous with progress. Lamprey eels evolve too.

vrganj 16 hours ago | parent [-]

Look, I'm not a fan of the Church either. But I appreciate them smacking down this lunatic.

mikkupikku 15 hours ago | parent [-]

"When a devil gets caught by a monster, I, as a human being, can only hope that they both die."