| I really is ridiculous, and somehow the number only gets bigger as the stories are told! Last I saw was "40,000 protestors murdered in just 24 hours!", or something very close to it. The US and Israel have been carpet bombing Iran for weeks now, blowing up hospitals, schools, power plants and residential buildings, yet the Iranian death toll is "only" around 1,500 so far. Yet we are to believe that Iran killed 40k of its own people in a day - you would literally be able to see piles of corpses from space! Israel has also claimed that they've hacked every traffic camera in Tehran, yet are mysteriously unable to provide any actual evidence of the supposed massacre - meanwhile, Iran released several videos showing foreign agitators distributing weapons, people attacking civilians etc. |
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| ▲ | catgary an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | I think there are 5-7 thousand confirmed deaths by the UN, and medical reports in Iran estimated there could be 20,000+ casualties. | | |
| ▲ | orwin 37 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | 7 thousand confirmed death, 9 thousand unconfirmed death. Among that 1200 confirmed death from the regime forces, and 400 to be confirmed bystanders. The nurse burned to death by protesters is among those 400. | |
| ▲ | srean an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | I don't know enough to dispute, but could you link such a report |
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| ▲ | jandrewrogers 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > The US and Israel have been carpet bombing Iran No they haven't. The US started phasing out carpet bombing[0] half a century ago. You discredit yourself by making such trivially falsifiable assertions. The US and Israel use precision strikes. It is why the ratio of targets per sortie is by far the highest ever recorded in a major conflict. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpet_bombing | | |
| ▲ | TheAlchemist 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | While I somewhat agree, you should also look at the results of those precision strikes. Usually, when they kill a senior Iranian officer sleeping in his appartment, they level the building or at lest blow up several adjacent units, probably killing at last 10 innocent people. | | |
| ▲ | jandrewrogers an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | That's an inherent limitation of precision strikes. The objective is minimizing the collateral damage required to achieve the objective, not avoiding it entirely. Even the various explosive-free precision-guided munitions the US uses have a non-zero damage radius. One can argue whether or not it is a good idea for the bombs to be flying around in the first place, but there is no version of physics that allows anyone to avoid collateral damage as a practical matter. | | | |
| ▲ | jiggawatts an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Which is not “carpet bombing”. Use words and phrases correctly, or expect an argument. |
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| ▲ | GordonS 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Look at the videos coming out of Iran - civilian infrastructure and residences are clearly being targeted. Some unexploded bombs have been found that lack a JDAM guidance package. And regardless of the USA, Israel is most certainly not above carpet bombing civilians. | | |
| ▲ | jandrewrogers an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Again, that's not "carpet bombing". Carpet bombing requires a type of aircraft that Israel doesn't have (though the US does). Why would you expect a precision bomb to have a JDAM package? That is not the only type of guidance package. In fact, most of the footage I've seen (largely Israeli) has clearly been laser-guided bombs. They aren't the same thing, and the latter is more precise than JDAM in any case. Use of precision-guided bombs in a city is not "carpet bombing". | | |
| ▲ | GordonS an hour ago | parent [-] | | Even if their actions might not precisely meet some dictionary definition of "carpet bombing", you know well what I meant - civilians and civilian infrastructure are being deliberately targeted with complete disregard for loss of life and environmental consequences. | | |
| ▲ | idop 44 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | You meant to lie, and you did lie, and you continue to lie. Standard TikTok rage where words no longer have meaning, reality must be rejected, and any headline is true even if the article directly negates it or there's no source, so long as it makes Israel look bad. I swear, it's almost as if the anti-Israel mob _wants_ it to be true. | |
| ▲ | jiggawatts an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | That’s called war. You’re parroting IRGC propaganda, which is why people are arguing with you. “We are innocent civilians and the Israelis are carpet bombing us”… said by the people that funded October 7th and killed more of their own people than the Israeli bombs did. Iran’s government has been violently belligerent for decades, and continues to this day to bomb its Arab neighbours including hitting their civilians! They don’t get to whine about the morality of civilian versus military deaths. |
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| ▲ | magic_hamster 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You are vilifying an entire country and it's high time we acknowledge this is wrong. Israel does not set out to carpet bomb civilians. If it did, the numbers would have been insane; same goes for the US. | | |
| ▲ | GordonS 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Be serious, look at what has been done to Gaza. Israel absolutely sets out to murder civilians, en-masse. | | |
| ▲ | magic_hamster an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Can you show me a verified case where IDF intentionally targeted civilians fully knowing they were going to "murder" them for no reason? | | | |
| ▲ | flyinglizard an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Gaza was not carpet bombed at all. Gaza was bombed with precision weapons, then bulldozers came in and leveled empty buildings after calling their residents to evacuate. You may not like it, but Israel never used a strategy of carpet bombings, it's neither effective nor efficient. |
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| ▲ | srean an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | https://content.forensic-architecture.org/wp-content/uploads... | |
| ▲ | thunky an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Holy shit what rock are you living under? Israel is villifying itself just fine. | | |
| ▲ | magic_hamster an hour ago | parent [-] | | I argue that anyone saying this is watching too many TikTok videos and not really familiar with what's going on. Without going into too much detail, my position and line of work means that I have to keep very informed on the middle east and so far I've seen a lot of hatred, and very little factual basis. In fact every single person I personally talked to was very uninformed on these matters which is fine, as long as you accept it and don't form extreme opinions on entire countries. | | |
| ▲ | srean an hour ago | parent [-] | | https://content.forensic-architecture.org/wp-content/uploads... | | |
| ▲ | magic_hamster 41 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I'd appreciate if you didn't spam the same link all over my comments, once is enough. And as for "forensic architecture", please visit their website and go over who these people are - especially the Palestinians from Ramallah and self proclaimed "activists". This is by no means an unbiased organization. | | |
| ▲ | srean 26 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Then don't go asking for a report in all of your comments on this page where you have, once is enough. Forensic Architecture is one of the most reputed organizations for this line of work. Their reports are read with great deal of respect here on HN and they cover more than this conflict. If they don't count as credible and competent, nothing will satisfy. The moral equivalent of covering one's eyes and ears. So I will appreciate if you stop this sham of yours asking for a citation. While you are at it, do better than ad hominem. For HN audience, the report was discussed on HN here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47136179 |
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