Look at the videos coming out of Iran - civilian infrastructure and residences are clearly being targeted. Some unexploded bombs have been found that lack a JDAM guidance package.

And regardless of the USA, Israel is most certainly not above carpet bombing civilians.

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jandrewrogers 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Again, that's not "carpet bombing". Carpet bombing requires a type of aircraft that Israel doesn't have (though the US does).

Why would you expect a precision bomb to have a JDAM package? That is not the only type of guidance package. In fact, most of the footage I've seen (largely Israeli) has clearly been laser-guided bombs. They aren't the same thing, and the latter is more precise than JDAM in any case.

Use of precision-guided bombs in a city is not "carpet bombing".

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GordonS 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Even if their actions might not precisely meet some dictionary definition of "carpet bombing", you know well what I meant - civilians and civilian infrastructure are being deliberately targeted with complete disregard for loss of life and environmental consequences.

	▲	idop 2 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		You meant to lie, and you did lie, and you continue to lie. Standard TikTok rage where words no longer have meaning, reality must be rejected, and any headline is true even if the article directly negates it or there's no source, so long as it makes Israel look bad. I swear, it's almost as if the anti-Israel mob _wants_ it to be true.
	▲	jiggawatts 2 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		That’s called war. You’re parroting IRGC propaganda, which is why people are arguing with you. “We are innocent civilians and the Israelis are carpet bombing us”… said by the people that funded October 7th and killed more of their own people than the Israeli bombs did. Iran’s government has been violently belligerent for decades, and continues to this day to bomb its Arab neighbours including hitting their civilians! They don’t get to whine about the morality of civilian versus military deaths.

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magic_hamster 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You are vilifying an entire country and it's high time we acknowledge this is wrong. Israel does not set out to carpet bomb civilians. If it did, the numbers would have been insane; same goes for the US.

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GordonS 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Be serious, look at what has been done to Gaza. Israel absolutely sets out to murder civilians, en-masse.

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magic_hamster 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Can you show me a verified case where IDF intentionally targeted civilians fully knowing they were going to "murder" them for no reason?

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		https://content.forensic-architecture.org/wp-content/uploads...
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		All the children shot in the head as reported by western doctors working there?

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flyinglizard 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Gaza was not carpet bombed at all. Gaza was bombed with precision weapons, then bulldozers came in and leveled empty buildings after calling their residents to evacuate. You may not like it, but Israel never used a strategy of carpet bombings, it's neither effective nor efficient.

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srean 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

https://content.forensic-architecture.org/wp-content/uploads...

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thunky 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Holy shit what rock are you living under? Israel is villifying itself just fine.

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magic_hamster 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I argue that anyone saying this is watching too many TikTok videos and not really familiar with what's going on.

Without going into too much detail, my position and line of work means that I have to keep very informed on the middle east and so far I've seen a lot of hatred, and very little factual basis. In fact every single person I personally talked to was very uninformed on these matters which is fine, as long as you accept it and don't form extreme opinions on entire countries.

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thunky an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I consume no TikTok, no Facebook, no cable news, none of any of that.

If Israel doesn't want people to form "extreme opinions" about them then maybe they should stop oppressing and murdering poeple with a compete disregard for human life.

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srean 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

https://content.forensic-architecture.org/wp-content/uploads...

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magic_hamster 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I'd appreciate if you didn't spam the same link all over my comments, once is enough. And as for "forensic architecture", please visit their website and go over who these people are - especially the Palestinians from Ramallah and self proclaimed "activists". This is by no means an unbiased organization.

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srean 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Then don't go asking for a report in all of your comments on this page where you have, once is enough.

Forensic Architecture is one of the most reputed organizations for this line of work.

Their reports are read with great deal of respect here on HN and they cover more than this conflict. If they don't count as credible and competent, nothing will satisfy you -- the moral equivalent of covering one's eyes and ears.

So I will appreciate if you stop this sham of yours of asking for a citation.

While you are at it, do better than ad hominem. I am still waiting to hear an argument about the content of the extensive and methodical report.

For HN audience, the report was discussed on HN here

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47136179

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magic_hamster 4 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> Then don't go asking for a report in all of your comments

All my comments? Okay, let's do this. Show me all the places I asked for a report.

> Forensic Architecture is one of the most reputed organizations for this line of work.

Categorically false. They are self proclaimed proud activists, some are Palestinians. They are a side in the conflict pushing an agenda.

> So I will appreciate if you stop this sham of yours of asking for a citation.

Nice uno reversal but you're the one spamming my comments with just a link to one comment. I never did that nor did I ask for citations other than the one time, which you were unable to provide.

> While you are at it, do better than ad hominem.

I am not here to have a competitive debate with you.

Your comment is low effort and borderline insulting. I understand you got angry because you couldn't answer my question, but acting out isn't going to make anyone more open to your misguided opinion. I hope one day you'll be able learn what's actually going on in the middle east. Go to Israel, go to Jordan, go to Syria, visit the druze community, talk to Iranians. I don't think you know what you're talking about.

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Hikikomori an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

>For HN audience, the report was discussed on HN here

He's in there as well, truly unapologetic Zionist.

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magic_hamster 13 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I am in there too, just citing details straight out of the report and shining a light on some issues, to which nobody had an answer, because yes it is absolutely not an objective group of people - which they proudly declare.

I don't go on HN for political topics, but as it turns out I am fairly well versed in this specific topic, and I don't like it when people paint the wrong picture on behalf of some truly bad actors.

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srean an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Ah! Now I feel like an idiot wasting my time. Thanks for the heads up though.

Sadly, my country does this too, pay shills to promote their party line on Whatsapp.

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Hikikomori an hour ago | parent [-]

Same. While politicians here are not as bad as Germany they provide political cover and interference. I applaud Ireland and Spain.

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		Super impressed by Spain and Ireland. Like as if some European countries have a spine. I really wish Europe got it's shit together soon.