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| ▲ | flyinglizard 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | user3939382 15 hours ago | parent [-] | | “ The bombing, combined with other simultaneous Israeli military actions in Gaza, killed at least 68,000 Palestinians (mostly civilians), which is between 3% and 4% of the total population of the territory, and damaged or destroyed Palestinian schools, hospitals, mosques, churches, and other civilian infrastructure including refugee camps.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_bombing_of_the_Gaza_St... You can play word games all you like. | | |
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| ▲ | magic_hamster 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | srean 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | https://content.forensic-architecture.org/wp-content/uploads... | |
| ▲ | Hikikomori a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | All the children shot in the head as reported by western doctors working there? | | |
| ▲ | jiggawatts a day ago | parent [-] | | I looked into that one, because it was so outlandish but repeated by multiple sources and reported by reputable journalists. The original reporting was carefully phrased to make it sound like IDF soldiers were "sniping" little children, taking careful aim and deliberately shooting them in the head, which is... monstrous. Where this narrative starts to breaks down is that snipers don't aim for the head, because it's too small a target. Additionally, most of the reports mentioned that the children were shot "in the street" in scuffles with ordinary army grunts, so where were these mysterious "child-murdering snipers"? How were they so reliably hitting small moving targets in the head? It turns out that this phenomenon was a product of Gaza's demographics combined with survivorship bias. Half of Gaza's population is under 18! Teenagers are technically "children", but they're out in the streets throwing rocks or whatever at IDF troops, and get shot at in return. The ones that get hit by half a dozen rounds to the chest die on the spot and aren't taken to hospital because obviously, hospitals are for people that can be saved, not the dead. All of the reports of "children getting shot in the head" were coming from surgeons in hospitals, but they were seeing a biased sample: victims that only got hit once had a chance to survive. Similarly, a minor head-wound isn't instantly lethal, whereas a single round centre-mass typically is. So they were seeing victims with single shots to the head instead of multiple to the chest. They then cooked up a narrative that would explain what they were seeing, not realising that the cause wasn't "evil child murdering snipers", but simply a statistically biased view of a war that is not especially more unethical than any other armed conflict. | | |
| ▲ | pcthrowaway a day ago | parent | next [-] | | There are videos of Palestinians being shot in the head, yes (NSFL links below) Here's a video from last year of an elderly man carrying a white flag being shot in the head: https://www.wgbh.org/tv-shows/newshour/clip/war-in-the-holy-... (this news site removed the moment of impact but I'm sure you can still find it) Here's a video of IDF in the West Bank head-shotting an unarmed elderly man who posed no threat: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_David_Ben_Avraham In this one, the man had converted to Judaism after feeling an affinity to the religion due to his grandfather saving the lives of more than 10 Jews during the 1929 Hebron massacre. His Aliyah request was denied, and he was executed while attempting to visit a settlement (by invitation) for Torah study This one from 2018 was widely circulated (this victim was shot in the leg, although based on the IDF recording here many had assumed this was also a headshot): https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/10/video-appears-... Here's a very detailed report on 15 aid workers in Gaza being executed at point blank range and dumped into a mass grave last year: https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/israeli-soldiers-tel-sultan-g... These are just ones that come to mind as some of the most brutal ones, but there are many, many more videos of the IDF executing unarmed Palestinians who are posing no threat by head-shot. And for every one we see there are likely 4 or 5 more which we don't see because they weren't independently recorded. | |
| ▲ | Hikikomori a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This is likely one of the worst posts ever made on hackernews. | |
| ▲ | jacquesm a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Oh, that's ok then. /s ffs | | |
| ▲ | jiggawatts a day ago | parent [-] | | War makes people angry, and angry people are trivially swayed by propaganda. For example, there's thousands of people still screeching online that the US deliberately bombed little girls in Iran. No, they hit a girls school by accident, it used to be an IRGC military base building and is surrounded by IRGC buildings! I don't condone Israel's actions in Gaza, nor do I condone the US/Israeli attacks on Iran. Having said that, it's important in a war -- irrespective of what side one is supporting or opposing -- not to believe exaggerations or outright lies. War is bad enough, we don't have to sprinkle imaginary horrors on top of the real ones! In the worst case, if too many people spout transparently obvious propaganda, then that discounts the believability of the true horrors. This is most obvious today with the "that's just a fake AI video" retorts, but before it was "fake news", or whatever. Diluting the truth harms it. |
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| ▲ | magic_hamster 2 days ago | parent [-] | | I argue that anyone saying this is watching too many TikTok videos and not really familiar with what's going on. Without going into too much detail, my position and line of work means that I have to keep very informed on the middle east and so far I've seen a lot of hatred, and very little factual basis. In fact every single person I personally talked to was very uninformed on these matters which is fine, as long as you accept it and don't form extreme opinions on entire countries. | | |
| ▲ | thunky a day ago | parent | next [-] | | I consume no TikTok, no Facebook, no cable news, none of any of that. If Israel doesn't want people to form "extreme opinions" about them then maybe they should stop oppressing and murdering poeple with a compete disregard for human life. | |
| ▲ | srean 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | https://content.forensic-architecture.org/wp-content/uploads... | | |
| ▲ | magic_hamster 2 days ago | parent [-] | | I'd appreciate if you didn't spam the same link all over my comments, once is enough. And as for "forensic architecture", please visit their website and go over who these people are - especially the Palestinians from Ramallah and self proclaimed "activists". This is by no means an unbiased organization. | | |
| ▲ | srean a day ago | parent [-] | | Then don't go asking for a report in all of your comments on this page where you have, once is enough. Forensic Architecture is one of the most reputed organizations for this line of work. Their reports are read with great deal of respect here on HN and they cover more than this conflict. If they don't count as credible and competent, nothing will satisfy you -- the moral equivalent of covering one's eyes and ears. So I will appreciate if you stop this sham of yours of asking for a citation. While you are at it, do better than ad hominem. I am still waiting to hear an argument about the content of the extensive and methodical report. For HN audience, the report was discussed on HN here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47136179 | | |
| ▲ | Hikikomori a day ago | parent | next [-] | | >For HN audience, the report was discussed on HN here He's in there as well, truly unapologetic Zionist. | | |
| ▲ | srean a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Ah! Now I feel like an idiot wasting my time. Thanks for the heads up though. Sadly, my country does this too, pay shills to promote their party line on Whatsapp. | | |
| ▲ | Hikikomori a day ago | parent [-] | | Same. While politicians here are not as bad as Germany they provide political cover and interference. I applaud Ireland and Spain. | | |
| ▲ | srean a day ago | parent [-] | | Super impressed by Spain and Ireland. Like as if some European countries have a spine. I really wish Europe got it's shit together soon. |
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| ▲ | magic_hamster a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | Hikikomori a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Have you done anything similar to anything Israel has said or done? | | | |
| ▲ | constantius a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | "Can't say too much, but I'm one of the world's biggest experts on the Middle East, and basically everyone accusing Israel of genocide (so all the NGOs, the journalists, all these other people with their lying eyes) is wrong. And Forensic Architecture are basically shills (one of their team members comes from Muslamistan, need I say more)." Do you guys hear yourselves? Your posts being flagged all over should give you an indication of how it sounds. | | |
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| ▲ | magic_hamster a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Then don't go asking for a report in all of your comments Your link that you posted everywhere was to a single comment before you edited it (on all comments!) to point to something else. So not only did I not ask for a report, but you can't even be consistent with your own spam. Low effort. Go waste someone's time on Twitter. | | |
| ▲ | srean a day ago | parent [-] | | And now you are just lying. The links that I posted as a reply to you, are all there, unedited, repeated as you noted and as a response to you asking HN members for reports of IDF targeting civilians. For someone claiming low effort, you still haven't done any better than ad hominem about the report. I have wasted more time on you than you deserve. So that's it from me to you. | | |
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