No, I'm pretty sure they would have. I remember during the primaries, Hillary tried to attack Obama by showing him in a "Muslim" garment.

There were conspiracy theories in the 80s and 90s too.

Doesn't seem like he aspired all that hard, since instead of expressing empathy for people who weren't like him, he continued to be a bigot in nearly every aspect. But sure, if you were a white cis straight guy I'm sure he was perfectly kind.

> It passed both houses of Congress by large, veto-proof majorities. Support was bipartisan, though about a third of the Democratic caucus in both the House and Senate opposed it. Clinton criticized DOMA as "divisive and unnecessary".

Sure doesn't seem like a Clinton issue?

Unless poll after poll is contacting and registering answers from 100% of people in the country, that's only 35-40% of the people who answered the poll, which is a much, much smaller number.

None of that changes the fact that the statement that half the country is MAGA because half the country voted for Trump is untrue.

Significantly less than half the country voted for Trump. This is objective fact.

Significantly less than 100% of Trump voters identify as MAGA. This is objective fact.

Approving of Trump as President is also not the same thing as being MAGA, though the overlap is quite likely reasonably high at this point.

You can make an argument that there are more MAGA people than I estimated, but the argument I was referring to was basing it all off of voters for the 2024 election. If you want to make a different argument, we can look at it on its merits.

Stating objective facts is not "copium".

It is simply false that "half the country [voted] for Trump".

You mean things done under MAGA led by a president who said on national TV that Haitians are eating pets and led the “birther” conspiracy ?

Being maga is diametrically opposed to supporting your country, as we've seen in particular this time around, but was also clearly visible in 2016-2020.

Rampant abuse of the legal system to target individuals, despite claiming (without evidence) that that was that the Democrats did against them

Total disregard for the constitution

Threats towards the judiciary

A million other things that I can list - but I'm sure you've heard them all and just don't care, so there's probably not much use in me continuing.

The entire point of MAGA is that they see “their country” as one where uppity negroes like Obama should have known his place, it’s DEI whenever a minority has a position of influence and power yet they keep lowering the standards for both ICE and the DOJ and RFK JR with no medical knowledge is the head of HHS.

America won’t be “great” until minorities, non Christians and non straight people know their role.

Indeed. And supporting MAGA is supporting the destruction of your country.

To believe in "Make America Great Again" you have to believe that America is not great, and this implies you are ashamed of your country. Shame is built in to MAGA.

That's some grade AAA ignorance hard at work. Or did you mean supporting Israel?

My country is not a cult of personality.

MAGA is not "the country". It's a collection of disgusting people that will take everything for themselves, even from others "in the group".

Those points are fine, but not the root of what makes MAGA shameful. You can go about having that opinion and take actions towards it without being racist, anti-LGBT, generally hateful, and backing an administration that has been proven time and time again to be deceitful in every facet and tuned to the interest of the wealthiest.

You have a very narrow and rose colored view of what maga is. To us living in the US, maga stands for pedophilia, misogyny, racism, fascism, homophobia, transphobia, corroption and much more.

It absolutely has nothing to do with putting america first, it has everything to do with putting trump first. Im afraid you have made the mistake of listening to a politicians words instead of watching his actions. Every word from his mouth is a lie.

"Make America Great Again" is propaganda and you're analyzing it as if it were a truthful mission statement.

Or more aptly, you're commenting on the title instead of reading TFA.

MAGA does not mean what you think it means for the people who actually live here.

Just out of curiosity, could you (or anyone else) give a couple of examples of what you would consider "great role models for real men"? Or "good role models for well-adapted men", if you'd rather use less inflammatory language.

Real men have culture and don't have to say that.

You grew up and you still have to ask?

I don’t think this is about nit picking some small detail that causes them to fail a quality/belief checklist. It’s not like finding out your hero picks his nose or doesn’t like chocolate ice cream. When someone goes mask-off as MAGA, they are revealing fundamental core beliefs and values that totally flip the kind of person you might have thought they were.

I have friends and family who I never thought had a hateful, cruel, or belligerent bone in their bodies, suddenly start acting like totally different people, in the span of a few years. This isn’t me holding them to some purity checklist!

Fred Rogers was the same kind, thoughtful person in everyday life as he was when he acted on his show. You can watch the congressional tapes of him testifying on increased funding to PBS and also testifying on not making VCRs illegal.

That's a little bit of a false dichotomy, though. I agree that it would be rare, even impossible, to find people who match every quality I imagined they had.

But some of those failings are forgivable, others are not.

Getting genuinely confused about pronouns sometimes: forgivable.

Being a loud, public MAGA homophobe transphobe: not forgivable.