Fred Rogers, Terry Crews, Lin Manuel Miranda, Henry Cavill, John Cena, Steve Irwin and Dave Grohl to name a few.

Fred Rogers advised François Clemmons, an openly gay cast member, to remain closeted and even suggested he marry a woman to protect the show's viability.[1]

Terry Crews? Porn addict. [2]

Lin Manuel Miranda "blindly asks BIPOC performers to act in a piece detailing historical events benefiting their oppressors." [3]

Henry Cavill undermined the #MeToo movement saying he feared being called a "rapist" if he pursued women. [4]

John Cena buries talent... used his backstage influence to undermine the momentum of new stars (remember The Nexus in 2010, CM Punk etc) [5]

Steve Irwin fed a crocodille while holding his month-old son, putting him in danger. [6]

Dave Grohl? Chronic infidelity. [7]

All these men are way better than me, for sure. But you can see how these arguments against Chuck Norris are a slippery slope:

> The homophobia? The racism? The infidelity? The conspiracy theories?

You're cherry-picking virtues from people aligned with your politics and ignoring the good things your perceived "adversaries" have.

[1] https://www.npr.org/2020/04/30/847315345/officer-clemmons-mi...

[2] https://www.addictioncenter.com/community/terry-crews-pornog...

[3] https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2020/12/9/unpop-opinion-c...

[4] https://culturess.com/2018/07/13/henry-cavill-missed-point-m...

[5] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQr5ZD6fr0g&t=3s

[6] https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-47343688

[7] https://www.gutinstinctmedia.com/latest-articles/a-rockstar-...

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cthalupa 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I think Cavill has a fair point - I generally support MeToo, think it was very important, but I can understand how being a fairly big name in Hollywood can result in hesitation around pursuing women. Especially now that he's got a lot of power for a whole franchise, with the Warhammer 40k stuff.

Steve Irwin I don't think what he did was a particularly big deal with the kid.

I don't really like celebrities as role models though. They have to have public personas as a matter of course. I would instead try to point to specific behaviors from real people. I also don't think people have to be perfect. But I do think there are some deal breakers that would mean I would never point my kids towards them as a role model. Racism and homophobia are among those things. I think believing that whole classifications of people are lesser is disqualifying.

	▲	boca_honey 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Oh I think all of those guys have fair points. I was trying to illustrate how you could make a hero or a villain out of anybody if you cherry pick incidents, decisions or opinions. Just like the parent comment was trying to do with Chuck Norris. (Which was probably way worse than any of these examples)