Welp, I guess my current Android phone will be my last one.

At least half of the apps I use on a daily basis come from f-droid. This enforced 24-hour wait is simply not acceptable. Android has always been a far inferior overall user experience compared to iPhone. Android's _only_ saving grace was that I could put my own third-party open-source apps on it. There is nothing left keeping me on Android now.

I'll probably get an iPhone next, but I do sincerely hope this hastens progress on a real "Linux phone" for the rest of us. Plasma Mobile (https://plasma-mobile.org) looks very nice indeed. I'll be more than happy to contribute to development and funding.

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MishaalRahman 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If it helps, the 24-hour wait is a one-time process. You do it once, click the toggle to allow installing unregistered apps indefinitely, and then install whatever you want. You can even turn off developer options afterwards, per my understanding, and it won't impact your ability to install unregistered apps.

	▲	datacruncher01 an hour ago \| parent \| next [-]
		It does not help. This is friction imposed to reduce and eliminate sideloading in the name of safety. I own my device, I choose the software running on it. Create friction points and I will chose another platform to execute my software.
	▲	Acrobatic_Road 9 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		For now.
	▲	applfanboysbgon 9 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		That does not help. That is a fundamentally fucking insane limitation that will completely destroy any developer's ability to develop without getting approval from Google. Regardless of my feelings of the annoyance of going through this process myself, 90% of users simply will not go through this process to install apps, killing any potential userbase. Google has no goddamn right to be the sole dictator of who is allowed to develop software for the largest platform in the world, to decide who is allowed to have a career in mobile software development and who is not, and you should be utterly ashamed of yourself for accepting a paycheck to defend this. I hope your shitty company and Apple both get their comeuppance in court for these monopolistic practices, and may we some day get a future where anyone is free to develop software without approval of a central police corp.

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TheDong 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Switching to an iPhone will put you in an even worse walled garden that respects you even less. Even simple things like setting your default navigation app in iOS are gated behind moving to the EU.

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armadyl 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

GrapheneOS phones are still an option, it’s unaffected by these rules.

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stavros 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If they manage to expand their lineup a bit, that'll be my next phone. Or, if a company makes a phone with GrapheneOS preinstalled, I'm giving them my money.

Fuck Google for doing this, and Play Integrity making me unable to use banks is even worse.

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utopiah 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> if a company makes a phone with GrapheneOS preinstalled, I'm giving them my money.

FWIW you can buy a Pixel (new or 2nd hand) and install GrapheneOS via the Web https://grapheneos.org/install/web with nothing (genuinely nothing) installed on your computer and get it working in ~15min (depending on your connection to download the ROM) out of which maybe ~2min will be your interacting with the setup process.

I initially bought an /e/OS precisely with your requirement, namely I "just" want a phone that works when I receive it, no tinkering, but having installed GrapheneOS myself few days (or weeks?) ago I can tell you, it's really straightforward.

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armadyl 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They're actually partnering with Motorola and have phones coming out next year! It sounds like they'll be the Motorola Signature, Razr and Fold (iirc).

	▲	stavros 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		That's great news, thanks! I can keep my phone for another year.

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sneak 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Used Graphene as a daily driver for a year. It’s an unserious toy.

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egeres 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They have terrible support for banking apps and any app that needs play integrity

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MrDresden 26 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

You are badly informed.

GrapheneOS has full support for Play Integrity[0].

[0]: https://grapheneos.org/articles/attestation-compatibility-gu...

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armadyl 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And what kind of support do you think a Linux phone will have? While also having trash tier security. I don’t see that as an issue (for Americans at least since most banks here don’t use NFC/wallets in their apps), just use the web browser to access your bank.

Also GrapheneOS has in my experience decent banking app support outside of a handful of apps (including, ironically, my main bank which disabled GrapheneOS support a week or two ago). There is a maintained list of working apps that you can see for yourself: https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compa...

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drnick1 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Then don't use those apps. I know it's easier said than done sometimes, but freedom is more important than convenience.

	▲	deaux 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Yeah, just like, move to a country where banks still offer web banking, bro. Move banks. Got a locked down mortgage on good rates? Tough luck man. Etc

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jjulius 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Does/do your bank/s absolutely always require you to use an app? Is there a desktop/website that you can use? Do they have a brick and mortar location?

	▲	utopiah 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Typically the website requires you to use the mobile app as 2FA. Typically also there are less and less brick and mortar locations.

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kykat 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

24-hour wait is a one time setup, I'd imagine that fdroid will keep working as usual after this super hidden don't enable me option is enabled.

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mikescandy 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If I understand correctly, the 24 hour wait is a one off. After the sideloading feature is enabled, it should stay on.

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fluidcruft 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Good luck installing things from anywhere you want on an iPhone.

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NoahZuniga 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Probably f droid will become an official app store recognized by Google, and then you won't have to go through this flow to install f droid or its apps.

	▲	Zak 8 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		As I understand it, that would not bypass Google's requirement that the developer of each app be verified by Google.
	▲	Aachen 9 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Have you read their blog on the topic? It's the end of the project