GrapheneOS phones are still an option, it’s unaffected by these rules.

If they manage to expand their lineup a bit, that'll be my next phone. Or, if a company makes a phone with GrapheneOS preinstalled, I'm giving them my money.

Fuck Google for doing this, and Play Integrity making me unable to use banks is even worse.

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utopiah 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> if a company makes a phone with GrapheneOS preinstalled, I'm giving them my money.

FWIW you can buy a Pixel (new or 2nd hand) and install GrapheneOS via the Web https://grapheneos.org/install/web with nothing (genuinely nothing) installed on your computer and get it working in ~15min (depending on your connection to download the ROM) out of which maybe ~2min will be your interacting with the setup process.

I initially bought an /e/OS precisely with your requirement, namely I "just" want a phone that works when I receive it, no tinkering, but having installed GrapheneOS myself few days (or weeks?) ago I can tell you, it's really straightforward.

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armadyl 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They're actually partnering with Motorola and have phones coming out next year! It sounds like they'll be the Motorola Signature, Razr and Fold (iirc).

	▲	stavros 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		That's great news, thanks! I can keep my phone for another year.

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sneak 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Used Graphene as a daily driver for a year. It’s an unserious toy.

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egeres 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They have terrible support for banking apps and any app that needs play integrity

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MrDresden 27 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

You are badly informed.

GrapheneOS has full support for Play Integrity[0].

[0]: https://grapheneos.org/articles/attestation-compatibility-gu...

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armadyl 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And what kind of support do you think a Linux phone will have? While also having trash tier security. I don’t see that as an issue (for Americans at least since most banks here don’t use NFC/wallets in their apps), just use the web browser to access your bank.

Also GrapheneOS has in my experience decent banking app support outside of a handful of apps (including, ironically, my main bank which disabled GrapheneOS support a week or two ago). There is a maintained list of working apps that you can see for yourself: https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compa...

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drnick1 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Then don't use those apps. I know it's easier said than done sometimes, but freedom is more important than convenience.

	▲	deaux 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Yeah, just like, move to a country where banks still offer web banking, bro. Move banks. Got a locked down mortgage on good rates? Tough luck man. Etc

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jjulius 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Does/do your bank/s absolutely always require you to use an app? Is there a desktop/website that you can use? Do they have a brick and mortar location?

	▲	utopiah 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Typically the website requires you to use the mobile app as 2FA. Typically also there are less and less brick and mortar locations.