> at the slightest "provocation"

Is that it though? When one has historical reasons to expect being attacked, one must be vigilant and one must be trigger-ready.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_at...

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wk_end 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yes, American police use these kinds of justifications when innocent people are killed too. It's absurd (watch Surviving Edged Weapons [0] some time) either way.

The reality is, if you have soldiers mowing down children throwing rocks, mowing down families driving around, mowing down kids playing football, mowing down toddlers in their bedrooms, mowing down hundreds of people each year [1], you've over-indexed on vigilance and under-indexed on the value of human life. You're not trigger-ready, you're trigger-happy.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6jhru-EqDA

[1] https://www.un.org/unispal/document/ohchr-press-release-17oc...

	▲	philistine 35 minutes ago \| parent \| next [-]
		When RLM enlightens on the police brutality roiling America, and entertains!
	▲	dzhiurgis 42 minutes ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		> under-indexed on the value of human life That's already given, by the other party who is hosting the game. If the players don't value my life, I'm not going to value theirs. Pretty simple.

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jmward01 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

A professional looks at and understands the situation as it exists now. A professional is trained to not get into situations where fear controls them. Your argument is a compelling one that either these are not professionals or that they are professionals and are doing this on purpose. The stats today clearly show the massive difference between danger to Israeli personnel and Palestinians. Israel at this point has either failed to train professional forces that seek to deescalate and avoid dangerous situations or is training forces to find situations they can claim fear as a justification for murder. So, pick. They are either amateurs at which point it is a deplorable to put amateurs with this much force near a vulnerable population or they are professionals trained to do exactly this, find ways to kill a vulnerable population and claim self defense.

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dmitrygr 4 hours ago | parent [-]

A professional is not obligated to risk death (or die) on the off chance that you are belligerent but not actually dangerous. Do not ever act belligerent around law enforcement, in any country, especially in a country where they LITERALLY EXPECT to be ambushed by people who act like that, because such people have been doing it for decades.

Be calm. Do not run. Talk clearly. Keep your hands visible. Did your parents not teach you?

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ozlikethewizard 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

So what exactly did the 8 year old boy sat in the back of his parents car do wrong?

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dmitrygr 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Nothing, and that is very bad luck. My heart breaks for the kid.

But unless you are suggesting that laws should be not applied to those with kids, I am not sure why that matters? What do you suggest? I cannot wait for "kid" to be a number one accessory to bring to a heist then.

	▲	Dusseldorf 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Again, what law was broken here? By anyone in the car? I'm struggling to understand how this wasn't outright execution.

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jmward01 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'll repeat the bit about professionals being trained to avoid and deescalate. That is the point. I think the details of this, and many similar incidents clearly show a lack of attempt to deescalate or avoid. That was the clear argument I made in my post and am re-emphasizing now. This clear trend shows either malicious intent by professionals or amateurs put in a situation they shouldn't have been allowed near and those above them should be held accountable for it.

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mindslight 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Or in democratic societies we can insist that our "public servants" actually serve the public interest of law and order rather than merely using it as a pretext to be able to commit their own violent crimes.

Your rationalization is nothing more than a product of a failed society. Bringing it up as pragmatic advice might make sense, although still not for this incident where the "offense" seems to have been merely stopping a car on the side of the road. But invoking it as some universal value of "what ought" is a pure crab bucket mentality.

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DiogenesKynikos 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The IDF is not law enforcement. It's a foreign army. It treats Palestinians with utter contempt and has no problem with killing them. Its job is to protect Israeli settlers who are taking Palestinian land and to prevent the Palestinians from resisting Israeli rule.

Comparing the IDF to law enforcement in a democratic country is not relevant.