| ▲ | dmitrygr 2 days ago |
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| ▲ | ozlikethewizard 2 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| So what exactly did the 8 year old boy sat in the back of his parents car do wrong? |
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| ▲ | dmitrygr 2 days ago | parent [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | Dusseldorf 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Again, what law was broken here? By anyone in the car? I'm struggling to understand how this wasn't outright execution. | |
| ▲ | ozlikethewizard 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Luck implies a lack of fault. Also we probably shouldn't open fire on suspects fleeing from a heist either, kid or no kid. Extra-judical justice is generally a bad thing, this is why pit maneuvers exist. Allowing police to fire at moving vehicles is a universally bad idea, and one thats understood by most nations. | |
| ▲ | mcphage 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | > I cannot wait for "kid" to be a number one accessory to bring to a heist then. And when that happens then we can have a conversation. But as it is, you’re justifying slaughtering a family because of a story you invented. |
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| ▲ | mindslight 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Or in democratic societies we can insist that our "public servants" actually serve the public interest of law and order rather than merely using it as a pretext to be able to commit their own violent crimes. Your rationalization is nothing more than a product of a failed society. Bringing it up as pragmatic advice might make sense, although still not for this incident where the "offense" seems to have been merely stopping a car on the side of the road. But invoking it as some universal value of "what ought" is a pure crab bucket mentality. |
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| ▲ | dmitrygr a day ago | parent [-] | | Then by your logic, every society on earth failed, because there are no places where you can act belligerently towards law enforcement and expect it to end well. | | |
| ▲ | donkeybeer a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Correct, they failed. Cops are rightfully called all kinds of nice things in all countries. We are far from having what should be a non failed society. But liberal democratic capitalist countries get much closer to success. | |
| ▲ | mindslight a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Perhaps by your obtusely applied system of logic, but not by mine. Societal values are ideals to be worked towards, not some sort of axiomatic foundation that pops into existence fully formed. The failed society condemnation pertains to your remark, which comes from a place of having given up on the idea that governments should be accountable to their citizens - aka authoritarianism. |
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| ▲ | jmward01 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I'll repeat the bit about professionals being trained to avoid and deescalate. That is the point. I think the details of this, and many similar incidents clearly show a lack of attempt to deescalate or avoid. That was the clear argument I made in my post and am re-emphasizing now. This clear trend shows either malicious intent by professionals or amateurs put in a situation they shouldn't have been allowed near and those above them should be held accountable for it. |
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| ▲ | DiogenesKynikos 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| The IDF is not law enforcement. It's a foreign army. It treats Palestinians with utter contempt and has no problem with killing them. Its job is to protect Israeli settlers who are taking Palestinian land and to prevent the Palestinians from resisting Israeli rule. Comparing the IDF to law enforcement in a democratic country is not relevant. |
