| Yes, American police use these kinds of justifications when innocent people are killed too. It's absurd (watch Surviving Edged Weapons [0] some time) either way. The reality is, if you have soldiers mowing down children throwing rocks, mowing down families driving around, mowing down kids playing football, mowing down toddlers in their bedrooms, mowing down hundreds of people each year [1], you've over-indexed on vigilance and under-indexed on the value of human life. You're not trigger-ready, you're trigger-happy. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6jhru-EqDA [1] https://www.un.org/unispal/document/ohchr-press-release-17oc... |
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| ▲ | mindslight 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | I'm going to repost and elaborate on a reply of mine that appears to be shadow dead with no explanation. This doesn't seem to be the usual result of disagreement flagging. The only problem I can see is that perhaps this did not meet the level of substantiveness expected from an HN comment (OTOH I don't see how what it was replying to would meet this either, and mine is at least coming from the direction of intellectual curiosity!) "Perfect example of how no one thinks they're the villain in their own story" To be clear, the comment I'm replying to is justifying "mowing down children throwing rocks, mowing down families driving around, mowing down kids playing football, mowing down toddlers in their bedrooms" based on some amorphous other "players" supposedly not valuing their own life (as a hypothetical soldier!). If this isn't a stark illustration of how individual people in a cycle of violence justify their own crimes to themselves, I don't know what is. The position would make sense in the context of say a street mugging where the victim ends up shooting the assailant. It might make sense in the context of domestic policing where the subject of an arrest attacks the police (modulo the usual moral hazard wherein cops create pretexts to claim they were being attacked). But in the context of this article and the proceeding comment, I don't see how it is anything but a rationalization for some pretty sick violence. | | |
| ▲ | dzhiurgis a day ago | parent [-] | | That's pretty crazy mental gymnastics. Palestinians have been attacking Israel civilians forever. They strapped bombs under their kids beds, etc. It's clear they don't value Israeli life, nor their own. They have been indoctrinated to hate jews before birth. There is nothing controversial about it. Israel has been doing their best to avoid civilian deaths, polar opposite of Palestinian behavior. Yes mistakes have been made, but trying to equate the two is deliberate misinformation. | | |
| ▲ | suburban_strike a day ago | parent | next [-] | | > Palestinians have been attacking Israel civilians forever. They strapped bombs under their kids beds To the oppressed, everything is permissible. > They have been indoctrinated to hate jews before birth "Fetuses are antisemitic" is a new one. | | | |
| ▲ | mindslight a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Please elaborate on what exactly you're calling "crazy mental gymnastics". Your followup points are merely textbook dehumanization of an entire group. So as I said, cycle of violence. | | |
| ▲ | dzhiurgis a day ago | parent [-] | | I already did. I don't think this can be clarified anymore for a person with an agenda. | | |
| ▲ | mindslight a day ago | parent [-] | | The only thing I've said here is calling out your incitement to genocide. If that qualifies as an "agenda" to you, then I don't know that there is anything left to say. | | |
| ▲ | dzhiurgis a day ago | parent [-] | | At the bottom of article: > Between 7 October 2023 and 15 March 2026, the UN's humanitarian affairs office, OCHA, says 1,071 Palestinians were killed in the West Bank, including at least 233 children. Does that sound like genocide? Meanwhile, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_7_attacks says 1,195 civilians and security forces killed. 4300 rockets launched. How many people would that have been if Israel was jamming kumbaya? | | |
| ▲ | mindslight a day ago | parent [-] | | I was not making the argument that the situation is genocide. Rather I was pointing out that your comments constitute incitement to genocide. | | |
| ▲ | dzhiurgis 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | mindslight 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | lol. That refrain has gotten pretty tired and even the mainstream is waking up to how preposterous it is. Suffering horrific atrocities in your culture's past is not some license to commit your own new atrocities. Seriously, try applying your own rationalizations to the Palestinian perspective and see how that makes you feel - can October 7th be justified because "[Israelis] have been attacking [Palestinian] civilians forever" ? The answer is a resounding NO. As I said, it's cycle of violence. |
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