| ▲ | micromacrofoot 4 hours ago |
| The US spends billions and billions of dollars trying to police problems instead of spending the same money on addressing the root cause... collectively there's enough money to make this country an absolute paradise, but we're all acting like crabs in a bucket. It's sad that there was no one in this decision chain calling out this absolute waste. |
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| ▲ | hibikir 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I don't know how fixable that one is via just spending: There's a significant component of just selecting for student quality, interest in studying and parentally funded support when a student is struggling. It's a non-trivial part of the US' love of sprawl: Fewer kids of different levels of means will live near you. So when parents say they buy a house for "good schools" they aren't just saying funding per student. And yes, we have this too even in areas without a significant racial component. Making sure only very expensive houses are around you, and keeping housing prices up, has an effect on schooling, even if just by selecting for kids of parents that can afford the big houses. Ultimately the American parent is paying for the kids education either way: Either by buying a more expensive house near said "good schools", or by paying a private school, which is allowed to be selective in their admissions and match students. Making all schools actually be about the same is not just a matter of funding them equally, but you'd have to end the student segregation (even when it's in legal ways(, which is quite the challenge. For instance, around me, there's some really bad school districts that end up grabbing very large mansions. But what happens there is that none of the kids of people living in those mansions actually go to public school. So while it might not be economically difficult to up the funding of the schools near poorer neighborhoods, I don't even necessarily think that they will get the same outcomes for the same funding: The selection component is going to change performance. |
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| ▲ | micromacrofoot 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Tying property taxes to school funding is designed to cause this outcome, it's not a mistake. The majority of US history involves actively harming the poor through policy. |
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| ▲ | goodmythical 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Iowa has the second highest cancer rate in the country. Their leading solution? Increase tax on cigarettes. Not 'increase tax on cigarettes to increase early detection initiatives' or increase tax on cigarettes to increase screening subsidies', just 'increase tax on cigarettes so that the state has more money and poor people have less money'. |
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| ▲ | derektank 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Demand for cigarettes isn’t static. If you make them expensive enough, demand falls. Lower demand means less smoking which means less cancer. The only real risk with pigouvian taxes is that if you raise them too high, you can foster the development of a black market, which comes with its own set of negative social consequences. | | |
| ▲ | goodmythical 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Sure, lower demand does indeed reduce smoking, and a reduction in smoking might decrease cancer (iirc that's really hard to prove as an isolated variable given that those who give up smoking tend to make other lifestyle improvements that could also account for the difference). My point is that the solution is such a blunt tool. Given that smoking rates aren't relatively high in Iowa, smoking alone cannot be the major contributor to their relatively increased cancer rates. Were they to smoke more than any other state and also have high rates, I could maybe see it, but that's just not the case. Even if smoking rates were high and and increasing the tax were a solution, I'd still suggest that it's rather lazy to only do that given that tobacco does not cause a majority of cancer. You could do the same thing in a different direction and be equally relatively ineffective by, for instance, decreasing tax on sunscreen, or subsidizing healthy foods or gym memberships. Given that stress contributes to cancer rates, you could decrease the cost of mental health, run a de-stigmatizing campaign, force all corporations to finance therapy with independently verified therapists etc. There are so many many things that can be done that would likely be better than attempting to decrease an already low smoking rate. | | |
| ▲ | derektank 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | >a reduction in smoking might decrease cancer I understand that you were trying to make a different point so forgive me for derailing this conversation but this is important and I want to be emphatic. Smoking incontrovertibly and substantially increases your risk of developing cancer. 85-90% of lung cancer cases and a substantial number of other forms cancers of can be attributed to smoking. There are a lot of ways to study this (you can look at people that never started smoking, not just people who quit). Yes, these studies are correlational (we don’t do RTCs on things that can kill you) but they are very high powered and are designed to account for confounding variables. The entire reason we’ve seen a decline in cancer mortality in the US since the 90s is largely attributable to falling smoking rates beginning in the 70s. And while much fewer people smoke, roughly 1 in 7 still do. Encouraging them to find another way to feed their nicotine addiction, and discouraging young people from ever picking up the habit, would save a lot of lives still. |
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| ▲ | mikkupikku 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Smokers know the score by now. It's time for society to stop coddling them. Tax their asses to the Moon, call it reparations for all the smog and stentch they subjected the rest of us to for generations. | |
| ▲ | nxor2 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Iowa : Industrial Agriculture :: West Virginia : Coal | | | |
| ▲ | iso1631 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Increasing the price incentivises people not to buy it, econ 101 | | |
| ▲ | saltwatercowboy 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Increasing the price fosters a black market, econ 102 | |
| ▲ | goodmythical 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | ooooh, ur so smart. Iowa's tobacco use is relatively low. If tobacco were the primary problem (as indicated by the focus of the solution), you'd expect Iowa to use more tobacco than most or all states. Given that their utilization is so low, it cannot possibly be the leading contributor. Reducing an already low use of the product is a dumb place to start and a worse place to stop if your goal is to decrease the cancer rate. If your goal were to reduce the cancer rate, you'd focus on something about your population that is contributing to the higher cancer rate. | |
| ▲ | hexer292 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Just like increasing taxes incentivises people not to work. | |
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| ▲ | micromacrofoot 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I think that one's pretty clear cut, people giving themselves cancer are a financial drain on everyone else. Both the supply and demand side should be punished. | |
| ▲ | toomuchtodo 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Smoking is at historic lows [1] (~10-15%). Screening doesn't stop smoking, poor people will still be poor, smokers will still smoke, although GLP-1s may fix this [2] [3] (certainly, if this proves out, use cigarette taxes to help pay for GLP-1s for everyone to impair the dysfunctional reward center loop). There doesn't seem to be political will to simply ban cigarettes, so here we are. Making cigarettes expensive for poor people who smoke destroys demand, no? Otherwise, we accept the cancer rates for their choice and freedom to smoke knowing the consequences (~5k deaths/year in Iowa from this risk). [1] https://www.radioiowa.com/2026/01/02/iowa-smokers-can-save-m... (“Increasing the cost of tobacco products is one of the most effective ways to reduce use,” Cale says, “and in turn, to lower Iowa’s lung cancer rates.”) [2] GLP-1 drugs may fight addiction across every major substance - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47280797 - March 2026 [3] GLP-1 medications get at the heart of addiction: study - https://medicine.washu.edu/news/glp-1-medications-get-at-the... - March 4th, 2026 (i have personal experience with a loved one who will not quit smoking, so I am not unsympathetic to this risk and harm incurred) | | |
| ▲ | johannes1234321 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | > There doesn't seem to be political will to simply ban cigarettes, so here we are. A simple ban will work as well as prohibition of alcohol did. There will be a black market. Sure, producing tobacco is a bit more involved then producing liquor, but for smuggling there are enough options. The attempt is to raise prices and do marketing against smoking as well as preventing ads for smoking. So that over time the interest goes down and when looking at numbers of smokers that seems to work in some regions. Of course tobacco lobby has a lot of money and tries to prevent all measures. |
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| ▲ | toomuchtodo 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| "The purpose of a system is what it does." The purpose is not to create an absolute paradise for its citizens and residents, unfortunately. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_purpose_of_a_system_is_wha... |
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| ▲ | goodmythical 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That's not a fact. That's just an opinion. You could just as easily claim, and still be just as opinionated, that a system is what is intended to be (intentional design theory), or that a system should be what it ought to be (normative systems theory), or that a system should evolve to fit the purposes of it's environment (structural functionism), or that there is no fixed purpose and that purpose is instead decided by social consensus (social constructivism). A motivated reader might notice that the above systems thinking models each align with various schools of thought/philosophical schools. Idealism, telologism, constructivism, etc. This highlights the assertion that there might not be any one correct system of thought given one's stance on Truth, in that certain said systems might believe that they are the One Truth but could not logically demonstrate to the others that they are as such. | | |
| ▲ | toomuchtodo 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | The US spends ~$1T/year on its military but states it cannot afford universal healthcare, childcare, education, efforts towards affordable housing, etc. Observe what the system does, not what it says it does. Agree this is just my opinion, as a scholar of systems field reporting observations. Am I wrong? I am always open to being challenged and wrong, in my quest for the Truth. "Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?" as the song goes. https://usafacts.org/government-spending/ |
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| ▲ | micromacrofoot 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I think the closest thing we'd get to purpose for a government is likely defined by the constitution? we're not really even upholding those values |
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| ▲ | GuinansEyebrows 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| within a profit-driven economy, problems are simply profit centers to exploit for short-term revenue. solving those problems removes short-term revenue streams in favor of long-term stability, which of course would lead to long-term revenue streams... but who has time to wait? |
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| ▲ | underlipton 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| "But I don't WANT to make this country an absolute paradise. I WANT to enforce a racist and classist social hierarchy and keep the labor class distracted and divided so that they can't organize and mount a legitimate campaign against capital interests." |
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| ▲ | nxor2 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | A relative of mine works for a school district in the Chicago area. What should they do? Not take note of people's residence? The whole reason they do is because they used to not. Then people took advantage of it. And the people that take advantage of it typically cause problems for the district. Everything is racist and classist. But wanting a diverse school district to thrive? No that's the real problem. I guarantee Alsip is more diverse than wherever you are writing from. The irony. [0] https://www.illinoisreportcard.com/district.aspx?districtid=... | | |
| ▲ | john_strinlai 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | >What should they do? Not take note of people's residence? in this article, the childs parents provided proof of residence. | | |
| ▲ | nxor2 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | No. From the article: According to the school district, her daughter’s new student enrollment form was denied due to “license plate recognition software showing only Chicago addresses overnight” in July and August. In an email sent to Sánchez in August, the school district told her, “Although you are the owner on record of a house in our district boundaries, your license plate recognition shows that is not the place where you reside.” | Her response, according to the article? "No I'm not." Real trustworthy. People in the Chicago area lie all the time. There is more to the story and I do not have the information. My relative sees this all the time. | | |
| ▲ | patmorgan23 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > However, to this day, despite providing all required paperwork including her driver’s license, utility bills, vehicle registration, and mortgage statement, the Alsip Hazelgreen Oak Lawn School District 126 has repeatedly denied her daughter’s enrollment. She provided all the documentation the district requires of her. Her car being at a different local over the summer is not proof that she does not live in the home in the district. | | |
| ▲ | micromacrofoot 7 minutes ago | parent [-] | | This is like two pathologies of america combined: the automated policing is too heavy handed, and a car is for some reason taking priority despite a bunch of supporting information indicating otherwise |
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| ▲ | john_strinlai 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | did you notice in the part you quoted where _the school_ says "you are the owner on record of a house in our district boundaries"? so, her taxes fund the school. therefor her child has the right to attend the school. simple as. (also from the article: "[...] providing all required paperwork including her driver’s license, utility bills, vehicle registration, and mortgage statement") |
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