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Practical Guide to Bare Metal C++(arobenko.github.io)
48 points by ibobev 3 days ago | 20 comments
myrmidon an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> There are multiple articles of how C++ is superior to C, that everything you can do in C you can do in C++ with a lot of extras, and that it should be used even with bare metal development

An interesting perspective. Could turn it around as "everything you can do in C++ you can do in C with a lot less language complexity".

My personal experience with low-level embedded code is that C++ is rarely all that helpful, tends to bait you into abstractions that don't really help, brings additional linker/compiler/toolchain complexity and often needs significant extra work because you can't really leverage it without building C++ abstractions over provided C-apis/register definitions.

Would not generally recommend.

jonathrg an hour ago | parent | next [-]

You definitely need discipline to use C++ in embedded. There are exactly 2 features that come to mind, which makes it worth it for me: 1) replacing complex macros or duplicated code with simple templates, and 2) RAII for critical sections or other kinds of locks.

g947o an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Mind if I ask whether you speak of that from a professional embedded system engineer's perspective?

myrmidon an hour ago | parent [-]

I do. But talking about low-level embedded stuff here.

Generally, the more you deviate from your vendors "happy path", the more busy work/unexpected difficulties you will run into, and a solid grasp of how exactly architecture and toolchain work might become necessary (while staying on the "happy path" allows you to stay blissfully unaware).

technothrasher an hour ago | parent [-]

I struggle with this deviating from the vendor's "happy path" often. I mostly use the STM32 chips, and I don't particularly care for their HAL library. I find it over complicated and often has bugs in it that I have to track down and fix. But boy is it nice to use their STM32CubeMX program to generate all the low level code so I can just get to work. I tend to end up building my own low level libraries during my free time because I enjoy it and it gives me a better idea of how the hardware is actually working, but using the STM32 HAL library to write my actual client code at work.

mdocc 10 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>StaticQueue: LinearisedIterator

Using C++ iterator interface to fix the main problem of a standard ring buffer of non-contiguous regions is a cute idea, but I like to use a "bip buffer"[1] instead which actually always gives you real contiguous regions so you can pass the pointers to things like a dma engine.

[1] https://ferrous-systems.com/blog/lock-free-ring-buffer/

The tradeoff is that you have in the worse case only half the buffer available - the ring buffer essentially becomes a kind of double buffer where you periodically switch between writing/reading at the end or the beginning of the storage.

pjmlp 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

While tag dispatching used to be a widely used idiom in C++ development, it was a workaround for which nowadays there are much better alternatives with constexpr, and concepts.

tialaramex an hour ago | parent [-]

Surely one of the obvious reasons you'd want tagged dispatch in C++ isn't obviated by either of those features? Or am I missing something?

Suppose Doodads can be constructed from a Foozle either with the Foozle Resigned or with the Foozle Submitted. Using tagged dispatch we make Resigned and Submitted types and the Doodad has two specialised constructors for the two types even though substantively we pass only the Foozle in both cases.

In a language like Rust all the constructors have names, it's obvious what Vec::with_capacity does while you will still see C++ programmers who thought constructing a std::vector with a single integer parameter does the same because it's just a constructor and you'd need to memorize what happens.

quuxplusone an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I wouldn't call the idiom you describe (like with unique_lock's defer_lock_t constructor) "tag dispatch"; to me, one defining characteristic of the "tag dispatch idiom" is that the tag you're dispatching on is computed somehow (e.g. by evaluating iterator_traits<T>::iterator_category()). The idiom you're describing, I'd call simply "a constructor overload set" that happens to use the names of "disambiguation tags" to distinguish semantically different constructors because — as you point out — C++ doesn't permit us to give distinct names to the constructor functions themselves.

For more on disambiguation tags, see https://quuxplusone.github.io/blog/2025/12/03/tag-types/

and https://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2025/p39...

pjmlp 32 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

You use if constexpr with requires expressions, to do poor man's reflection on where to dispatch, and eventually with C++26, you do it with proper reflection support.

randusername 43 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Although there is an opinion that templates are dangerous because of executable code bloating, I think that templates are developer’s friends, but the one must know the dangers and know how to use templates effectively. But again, it requires time and effort to get to know how to do it right.

idk man, obviously I don't know much since I don't have my own online book, but templates would not be at the start of my list when selling C++ for bare-metal.

unit suffixes, namespaces, RAII, constexpr, OOP (interfaces mostly), and I like a lot of the STL in avoiding inscrutable "raw loops".

I like the idea of templates, but it feels like a different and specialized skillset. If you are considering C++ from C, why not ease into it?

bluGill 23 minutes ago | parent [-]

Most of the good parts of the STL are implemented as templates. If you are considering C++ from C, then treating it like C with the STL templates is a great first step. Over time you will discover other useful features of C++ that solve specific problems. Virtual functions in a class - better than writing a table of function pointers. Lambda - sometimes much better than a function pointer. Custom templates - better than doing the same thing in macros (at least some times). Exceptions are sometimes really nice for error handling (and contrary to popular belief are not slow) And so on - C++ has a lot of features that can be useful, but most of them are features that can also be abused in places they don't belong creating a real problem.

saltmate an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This seems very well written, but has a lot of requirements/previous knowledge required by a reader. Are there similar resources that fill these gaps?

randusername 35 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I like Realtime C++ (Kormanyos) and Making Embedded Systems (White)

The former is probably more what you are looking for.

birdsongs an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I only skimmed the book, but I think this is an artifact of the embedded engineering side. (Something I do professionally.)

I've seen a lot of new people come into my team as juniors, or regular C/C++ engineers that convert to embedded systems. There is a real lack of good, concise resources for them, and the best result I've had is just mentoring them and teaching as we go.

You could look for an intro to embedded systems resource. Or just get a dev kit for something. Go different than the standard Pi or Arduino. Try and get something like a STM32G0 dev kit working and blinking its lights. It's less polished, but you'll have to touch more things and learn more.

If you want, core areas I would suggest to research are the very low level operations of a processor:

* How does the stack pointer work? (What happens to this during function calls?

* How do parameters get passed to functions by value, by reference? What happens when you pass a C++ class to a function by value? What is a deep vs shallow copy of a C++ object, and how does that work when you don't have an OS or MMU?

* Where is heap memory stored? Why do we have a heap and a stack? How do these work in the absence of an OS?

* The Program Counter? (PC register). What happens to this as program execution progresses?

* What happens when a processor boots, how does it start receiving instructions? (This is vague, you could read the datasheet for something like the STM32G0 microcontroller, or the general Arm Cortex M0 core.)

* How are data/instructions loaded from disk to memory to cache to register? What are these divisions and why do we have them?

* Basic assembly language, you should know how loads and stores work, basic arithmetic, checks/tests/comparisons, jump operations.

* How do interrupts work, what's an ISR, IRQ, IVT? How do peripherals like UART, I2C (also what are these?), handle incoming data when you have a main execution thread already running on a single core processor?

Some of this may be stuff you already know, or seem rudimentary and not exactly relevant, but they are things that have to be rock solid before you start thinking about how compilers for differently languages, like C++, create machine code that runs on a processor without an OS.

Assembly is often overlooked, but a critical skill here. It's really not that bad. Often when working with C++ (or Rust) on embedded systems, if I'm unsure of something, my first step is to decompile and dump the assembly to investigate, or step through the assembly with GDB via a JTAG probe on the target processor if the target was too small to hold all the debug symbols (very common).

Anyways, this may have been more than you were asking for. Just me typing out thoughts over my afternoon coffee.

skydhash 43 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I'm not a professional embedded engineer, but I do hack around it. Some books I collected:

- Applied Embedded Electronics: Design Essentials for Robust Systems by J. Twomey. It goes over the whole process making a device and what knowledge would be required for each. Making Embedded Systems, 2nd Edition by E. White is a nice complement.

- Embedded System Interfacing by M. Wolf describes the signals and protocols behind everything. It's not necessary as a book, but can help understand the datasheets and standards

- But you want to start with something like Computer Architecture by C. Fox or Write Great Code - Volume 1 - Understanding the Machine, 2nd Edition by R. Hyde. There are better textbooks out there, but those are nice introductions to the binary world.

The gist is that you don't have a lot of memory and CPU power (If you do, adapting Linux is a more practical option unless it's not suited for another reason). So all the nice abstractions provided by an OS is a no go, so you need to take care of the hardware and those are really finicky,

NooneAtAll3 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

link has extra "#_abstract_classes" in it that it would be better without

VorpalWay 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why does the link go to the abstract classes heading, halfway down the page?

m00dy an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

just use Rust, and never look back.

menaerus 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Outdated, opinionated, platform-specific, and incorrect.