| ▲ | panny 9 hours ago |
| Lol, no, according to graphene, an aux jack is a security problem. So is a microsd. But the hole punch with the camera pointed at your face, that's just fine. When my current phone dies, I'm basically returning to a dumb phone with a removable battery. Now that Xperia dropped open source, every phone out there is terrible and I just don't want any of them. Anything that would support a ROM has features to make my skin crawl. |
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| ▲ | _vere 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Their hardware requirements do not say this, where'd you get that idea? Graphene has stated they'll work with the Motorola team on supporting their devices, starting with the successors of the Razr foldable and the signature line, but there really hasn't been any talk about how additional peripherals like aux would be a no-go. USB is also a security concern, which is why they give you the option to disable it outright, disable data or disable until after-first-unlock. I don't see what would keep them from implementing this for aux, although since it's unidirectional I'm not sure if it even makes sense to compare aux to USB. They've supported pixels with aux ports in the past, and I don't think it's inclusion would be a blocking criteria.
The comment about the camera is also kinda misguided. They zero out the camera input if you disable it, unlike traditional android. You can have a camera toggle in your quick settings and keep it disabled literally all the time. Enabling it when you bring up any camera related app takes either pin or biometrics, having the hardware here really shouldn't be a concern since you can look at how the code handling it works yourself.
I'm not trying to convince you to use a pixel or a Motorola phone, do what you want, but at least be informed about stuff like this when you state things as if they are facts. |
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| ▲ | Aachen 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > I don't see what would keep them from implementing this for aux, although since it's unidirectional No electric circuit is unidirectional. Beyond the pause/play and volume commands that it supports (edit: and mic as mentioned in a sibling comment), Graphene would probably reason it's an easy way to externally read voltage levels and so an unnamed entity can mount side channel attacks with backdoored headphones | |
| ▲ | RobotToaster 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > since it's unidirectional I'm not sure if it even makes sense to compare aux to USB Most phone aux support microphones and acting as an antenna for FM radio reception. I don't see how either could be used for a security exploit however. | |
| ▲ | panny 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | >but there really hasn't been any talk about how additional peripherals like aux would be a no-go. It's water under the bridge. You're NEVER getting a Graphene phone that supports a microsd. It won't happen. The AUX jack, you will biligerently be told to get a USB DAC or otherwise you are an old man yelling at clouds. Graphene and Motorola will work together by happy accident. Tell ya what though, if they make a GrapheneOS phone with 3.5mm, dual sim, microsd, and >no notch or hole punch< and I will buy it. I won't even care how much it costs. All the Xperias I've owned were among the most expensive phones on the market. | | |
| ▲ | _vere 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's unlikely for the Razr line to support microsd since those are foldables, and flagships like the signature line generally tend not to, but nowhere on their hardware requirements list does it say that a potentially supported device cannot have a microsd card slot, thats just wrong. There is nothing about a memory slot that would make the phone less safe inherently, they already support USB drives, internal emmc memory isnt that much more crazy than that, right? I just think its super weird to be like preemtively mad at them for an imagined aversion to supporting hardware that doesnt exist.
I get that the people involved with the project can be a little prickly when you ask them for advice about stuff, but what do you expect them to do here? They support the devices they do not out of some sort of adherence to a skewed model of security, they actually genuinely need the hardware to be able to do all of the things they ask for, which currently literally only the pixel line offers.
If a manufacturer like Sony who tends to do aux, microsd slots and no holepunch cameras were to adapt to their hardware standards (https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices) there would likely be an effort by people to get these supported, its not the lack of will from the devs, its the lack of support from phone manufacturers that has kept the line of supported devices constrained to pixels. |
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| ▲ | throawayonthe 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| why do you say "according to graphene?" have they said those things? or do you just mean the currently supported devices don't have these |
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| ▲ | sheiyei 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's a shame that modern banking (and communication with my family) needs a smartphone. |
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| ▲ | Aachen 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Does it? My banking works in any browser that supports javascript, and chatting has been possible on desktops (and laptops etc.) longer than it has on phones |
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| ▲ | fsflover 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > When my current phone dies, I'm basically returning to a dumb phone with a removable battery. Why not a smartphone with the jack, microsd, and a hardware kill switch for camera? |
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| ▲ | Aachen 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | I haven't found a >=2025 phone (I started looking in the summer) with a headphone jack that I can actually use more conveniently than a tablet. Everything now requires two hands, not counting warrantyless china phones like the jelly star, or ones with a chipset that would have been considered fast in 2018 As for the camera, a webcam sticker seems much more convenient than needing to mess with the hardware internals | | |
| ▲ | fsflover 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | > haven't found a >=2025 phone Why such a restriction? > or ones with a chipset that would have been considered fast in 2018 https://puri.sm/posts/the-danger-of-focusing-on-specs/ > webcam sticker seems much more convenient Except there is also a microphone. > than needing to mess with the hardware internals What do you mean? My phone has a convenient, external hardware kill switch. No messing with internals is necessary. | | |
| ▲ | Aachen 43 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > Why such a restriction? Sorry, that wasn't clear: I meant any phone that I can purchase as of 2025. I was looking for several months and made a decision about 2 months ago. A second-hand Pixel was a big compromise but I don't see another option > https://puri.sm/posts/the-danger-of-focusing-on-specs/ Do you also have thoughts to add or am I supposed to read and respond to 2000 words of material here? The reason I'm looking at specs is not because I have no idea what I need. Not sure if there's another possible reading or if the link insinuates that. The software I use (e.g.: OsmAnd) is noticeably faster on more modern systems and was downright sluggish on my previous phone. I could buy my current chipset again, it's doable for now, but neither fluent nor future-proof. The chip's inefficiency also means it's completely empty after 2.5 hours of use (while I'm out mapping, taking notes, recording positions and sometimes pictures, listening to music... I ask a lot of the battery), whereas newer chips can do the same work with less energy I also need a modern chipset for accurate GNSS. The phone I get from work has dual-frequency GNSS and makes razor sharp traces which are much more usable for my mapping hobby, especially in urban or forested areas or behind coated windows like trains or cars (car navigation isn't that niche, my current phone does a pretty poor job at that) But yeah, let's not focus on specs. Who cares about any of this right? That's what I'd say if I sold a really basic phone > Except there is also a microphone. Respond to the person above. Hardware toggles wasn't my argument but theirs. Great that your librem has this but the thread is about GrapheneOS Edit: lol that was yourself. You posted about a camera toggle, not me or anyone else |
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| ▲ | M95D 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Modern dumb phones are just smartphones with a dumb UI. |
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| ▲ | Aachen 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Citation needed. A lot of dumb phones still only support 2g, for example, and you need to watch out that you don't buy a model that won't work anymore when carriers take that off the air. No smartphone hardware has that issue |
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