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mitchellh 7 hours ago

I'm the original creator of Ghostty. It's been a few years now! I don't know why this is on the front page of HN again but let me give some meaningful updates across the board.

First, libghostty is _way more exciting_ nowadays. It is already backing more than a dozen terminal projects that are free and commercial: https://github.com/Uzaaft/awesome-libghostty I think this is the real future of Ghostty and I've said this since my first public talk on Ghostty in 2023: the real goal is a diverse ecosystem of terminal emulators that aim to solve specific terminal usage but all based on a shared, stable, feature-rich, high performant core. It's happening! More details what libghostty is here: https://mitchellh.com/writing/libghostty-is-coming

I suspect by the middle of 2027, the number of people using Ghostty via libghostty will dwarf the number of users that actually use the Ghostty GUI. This is a win on all sides, because more libghostty usage leads to more stable Ghostty GUI too (since Ghostty itself is... of course... a libghostty consumer). We've already had many bugs fixed sourced by libghostty embedders.

On the GUI front Ghostty the apps are still getting lots of new features and are highly used. Ghostty the macOS app gets around one million downloads per week (I have no data on Linux because I don't produce builds). I'm sure a lot of that is automated but it's still a big number. I have no telemetry in Ghostty to give more detailed notes. I have some data from big 3rd party TUI apps with telemetry that show Ghostty as their biggest user base but that is skewed towards people consuming newer TUIs tend to use newer terminals. The point is: lots of people use it, its proven in the real world, and we're continuing to improve it big time.

Ghostty 1.3 is around the corner, literally a week or two away, and will bring some critically important features like search (cmd+f), scrollbars, and dozens more. In addition to GUI features it ships some big improvements to VT functionality, as always.

Organizationally, Ghostty is now backed by a non-profit organization: https://mitchellh.com/writing/ghostty-non-profit And just this past week we signed our first 4 contributor contracts to pay contributors real money! Our finances are all completely public and transparent online. This is to show the commitment I have to making Ghostty non-commercial and non-reliant on me (the second part over time).

That's a 10,000 foot overview of what's going on. Exciting times in Ghostty land. :) Happy to answer any big questions.

scuff3d 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

What's it been like managing a fairly large project with Zig? I know you've spoken highly of the language in the past, but recently it seems like Zig has been through some substantial changes that would be relevant to a terminal emulator. I'm curious how painful the churn has been for project maintainers.

mitchellh an hour ago | parent [-]

It's been extremely good. I should really blog about it in more detail because I do get asked this question regularly. It's been very good.

The large language changes are a burden, but it's something I knew going into it. And so far in every case, it's been well worth it. For example, 0.15 introduced the std.Io.Writer overhaul, but I really love the new API. I haven't started the std.Io change yet for 0.16. We'll see. And honestly, LLMs make this all way less painful... even though they're not trained on it, agents are able to run builds, reference docs, and work their way through the upgrade with huge success.

I thought that finding contributors would be an issue, but it hasn't at all. There's a lot of people out there eager to use Zig, the language isn't hard to learn (as long as you're already familiar with systems concepts), etc. It has been good.

I'll think about more to say if I write about this more but overall, I'm very happy with the language, the community, and the leadership. All good.

novok 6 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Do you get frustrated in using a low training data language like zig with AI models? I've noticed that models tend to be better with languages like TypeScript than Swift because of issues like that.

scuff3d 21 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

That's super interesting to hear. I see people say all the time "oh I would never use it in a big project because it's changing so fast", but then see awesome projects like Ghostty and Tiger Beatle written in it, so clearly they're doing something right.

I'm surprised to hear LLMs have been helpful. What little I tried to use them for with Zig, all the information was way too out of date. But I was mainly just doing research, not running an agent at the time, so that's probably why.

mitchellh 9 minutes ago | parent [-]

Yes, LLMs with Zig are absolutely useless without agentic behaviors. Throw an agent in the mix and it's totally fine. Bonus points if you pair it with some basic agent skills so it knows how to look up language references, stdlib files, etc. then it does even better.

WD-42 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Mitchell,

What has it been like witnessing terminal emulators make such a huge comeback with the advent of Claude Code et. all? I remember comments here in the early days of Ghostty along the lines of "Why is he working on a terminal emulator? We need people working on future problems, not the past!" Pretty funny considering I regularly hear people say they are in the terminal more than the browser now. Crazy times!

mitchellh 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Overall I would describe it as "amusing."

If you told me 3 years ago that terminal usage would _increase_ I would've laughed. Beyond that, I'm now having regular conversations with the frontier agentic coding companies (since they're far and away the largest terminal users at the moment) and if you had told me 2 years ago that that would be happening because of a terminal, I would've laughed even harder.

So, it's amazing. But overall, its amusing.

xeonmc 18 minutes ago | parent [-]

Would a terminal deal with them have added another billion to your account if it hadn’t been nonprofit?

pkulak 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Wait, really? So I’ve used the terminal for everything for decades, and now, because of vibe coding, all The Kids have joined me? I don’t even know how to feel about that. Better terminals are nice though.

thewebguyd 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Right? It’s been kind of funny watching everyone “rediscover” the terminal and I’m over here feeling like a true graybeard “silly kids, I’ve been here the whole time.”

What’s old is new again is apparently just as true in tech as it is in fashion.

james_marks 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The terminal was _always awesome_, the bar to realized that was just a tad high for many people. Until now!

pizza an hour ago | parent [-]

here-doc usage has probably 100x-ed in the last year

rvz 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's because the web developers who destroyed the web are now taking their mess with them into more obscure places, such as terminals, hardware and AI.

That's probably why it is so hyped up as it is right now.

lovecg 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yeah it’s been amusing to see people rediscovering tmux as well

nine_k 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

/* Claude Code is the strongest case of the return to the mainframe: a closed, bespoke, paid service that nothing locally run compares to. Terminals are just a natural part of the mainframe world! */

txdv 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Once he fixes the past he will have more time to fix the future

robinwhg 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

He was on a podcast recently where he talked about that a little. It’s on Youtube.

oDot 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm the author of Trolley[0] (Electron for TUIs).

It was so easy to get the terminal functionality going with `libghostty`. Most time was spent building the functionality around it.

Thanks for making it.

[0]: https://github.com/weedonandscott/trolley

dr_dshiv 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Thanks for all the work you do! I had used terminal just a few dozen times before November — and now i am in terminal more than any app (even more than the web browser).

It’s common for me to have 15-25 different terminal windows open for using Claude code. I shifted to Ghostty because I was looking for more features.

Unfortunately, none of the features I wanted are available anywhere (though I’ve come to appreciate Ghostty anyway). Here’s what I had wanted:

1. Basic text editing features (ie click to place cursor in the text input field; highlight to delete)

2. Change colors or fonts mid session (to make it easier to find particular windows)

3. Window management and search (eg, a way to find my windows when I lose them and to otherwise control them)

Apparently, it is really hard to develop features like these for terminal emulators. I’d love to understand why…

nevon 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The next release includes a way to use a command palette to search for and jump between surfaces (windows, panes), which sounds like it partially addresses your third point. I had a small hand in it, by building the initial UI for the Linux version.

stonegray 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

IMO this isn’t the job of the emulator. You can do this all in `tmux` for example.

As for editing text, ghostty+tmux most definitely supports editing text with the mouse (even an in terminal right click menu!) although sounds like your intended use of select to delete isn’t common so you’ll need to do some customizations.

jcgl 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

What makes you say that isn't the job the emulator? Sure it is. In fact, tmux itself is a terminal emulator that you just so happen to run inside of another terminal emulator that you want to multiplex.

yearolinuxdsktp 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I’ve been using scroll back search for 15+ years with Terminal.app and iTerm2, and there’s no way that’s not the job of the terminal. You don’t know how good that is until you use it.

yeison an hour ago | parent | next [-]

+1

stevenhuang 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Tmux does it better

dr_dshiv 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What am I missing?

harr01 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

For 1, take a look at https://github.com/alex-903/zsh-mouse-and-flex-search. It runs as a zle-line-init hook, so it works in any terminal. A full terminal app implementation would be cleaner, however.

nvme0n1p1 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Now that Ghostty is part of a real org, is there any way people can sponsor specific features/bugfixes? I've been waiting for drag/drop to be working on KDE before I make the switch, and I'd be happy to pay for a fix.

guiambros 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Coincidentally I was just listening to your interview with The Pragmatic Engineer [1] this morning. Loved hearing the stories of early days at HashiCorp, taking it public, and the near-miss with VMware.

It also got me wondering how things would be different if you haven't crossed paths with the guy who unplugged your mouse :) It's fascinating how life is full of these small yet defining moments. We don't always appreciate them right away, but beautiful to look back.

Thanks for Ghostty! It has been my daily terminal driver for the past year.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjckELpzLOU

wpasc 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I was also just recommended this interview on youtube. honestly it makes sense if the algo decided it was the right time to recommend this video and resultantly this post is making it's way to front page of HN

guiambros 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I subscribe to the channel, so I had already downloaded the episode. But glad PE is getting some algorithm-love; it's a great channel/podcast. Gergely is a great interviewer.

https://www.pragmaticengineer.com/

rcarmo 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Many thanks for everything. Without Ghostty I wouldn't have been able to create https://github.com/rcarmo/webterm and have a decent browser-based terminal that works the way I expect it to.

HorizonXP 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Having incorporated libghostty into my current web-based project, I can't say enough thanks. I've lived in the terminal since 2003, resisting IDEs, VSCode, everything because I'm a die hard Vim + tmux guy. Vibe coding coming back to the terminal, and being able to use libghostty to facilitate that is a serious vindication of my steadfast resistance to move away from the terminal.

I'm sure you feel the same watching Ghostty become what it has. Big thank you.

fartfeatures an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Is there any chance of a stable release that fixes the memory leak issue? I know I could run nightly but for something I spend all day every day using I'd much rather run a stable version.

mitchellh 44 minutes ago | parent [-]

New stable release in 1 to 2 weeks.

mijoharas 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hey Mitchell, thanks for ghostty (happy user here for a month or two). Is there anywhere I can look to see the status of the next planned release?

I've been waiting for the vim feature to hit stable, and have just been checking to see if there's a new release every so often, but I couldn't find a discussion or anything to see when it was planned.

foobarincaps 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I use Ghostty as my main TUI at work and absolutely love it. Most of my day lives in terminals, and Ghostty just feels fast, clean, and out of the way in the best possible sense.

I was a long-time Kitty user, but switching to Ghostty has been a big upgrade for my workflow. Hard to go back now. Thank you

hesdeadjim 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Random advice question. My brother taught himself to program and has been making a terminal-based game. What started out small has turned into a highly polished game with ascii art, sound, you name it.

I’ve been trying to figure out how I could actually help him distribute it and I keep coming back to the best option being to wrap his programs terminal output into a host process that can emulate and render it. It seems that the lib Ghostty might be perfect for the former, but not quite yet on the latter?

bewuethr 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Maybe as an SSH app? See https://snakes.run for a recent example.

msikora 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I started using it a few days ago and then I need to find something in the terminal. But....there is no find! Why? Can you guys add it? This is such a basic and critical feature that I may have to just go back to...just about anything else.

james_marks 2 hours ago | parent [-]

find is provided by the OS, not a terminal emulator like Ghostty. Most likely something is wrong with your paths.

jfaulken an hour ago | parent [-]

I think they mean like CTRL+F kind of find.

This is addressed in paragraph 5 of the post they replied to.

danso 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I literally discovered Ghostty yesterday when googling "best terminal macos" and surfaced a ~year-old reddit thread recommending it [0]. Just needed something other than Terminal so I could Cmd-Tab between distinct command-line work (e.g. claude code and ipython tabs). Was nice to find something that just worked

[0] https://www.reddit.com/r/macapps/comments/1loiw2z/comment/n0...

fragmede 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Fwiw x the program alt-tab on Mac gives macOS a more sane alt-tab behavior.

piperswe 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Cmd+` is also a useful shortcut for switching between windows of the same application

linsomniac 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

mitchellh: What is the current thinking WRT adding client/server functionality (like built-in tmux+mosh)? I recall you talking about it on the Changelog podcast, and that would be a killer feature for me; I really make a lot of use of the wezterm equivalent, it's so nice having first-class UI windows rather than tmux's faking of it.

makeramen 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Zellij has been holding me over with tabs and panes (in quick terminal) while I wait for them to come to ghostty directly.

Tabs (and panes? I haven't tried yet) should work fine for regular terminal windows though.

adrum 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There's a PR out there for tabs in quick terminal https://github.com/ghostty-org/ghostty/pull/9857

nicoritschel 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Did a double take on this one since my Ghostty has had panes for a while now (I run tip/nightly). Didn't realize it's not part of the current release.

Also, Zellij is nice.

makeramen an hour ago | parent [-]

Ah I just started using ghostty maybe a week ago and I mostly use quick terminal so I might be missing the panes on the regular windows.

blorenz 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Excited to see the further development of libghostty! It is an exciting project in this new world of being able to develop your own agentic development environments rather effortlessly. These things are possible because of projects like yours. Thank you!

rdtsc 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I just wanted to say "thank you". I switched to Ghostty over a year ago and it's been working out great. It's now my default terminal. My favorite features are responsiveness and ease of splitting panes.

seertaak 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Congrats on creating and helming such a cool project!

Out of curiosity, does ghostty do the Quake terminal thing - I use yakuake for this, but it feels a bit long in the tooth.

rkrzr 2 hours ago | parent [-]

It does. See https://ghostty.org/docs/config/keybind/reference#toggle_qui...

This works on MacOS, and on Linux sometimes:

> On Linux, the quick terminal is only supported on Wayland and not X11, and only on Wayland compositors that support the wlr-layer-shell-v1 protocol. In practice, this means that only GNOME users would not be able to use this feature.

linhns 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hi Mitchell, thanks for creating Ghostty. Been part of my workflow ever since I found it. Just a small question, when do you see Ghostty can fully replicate iTerm2 popular features like output copy/selection?

scosman 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Thanks for your awesome work. Never thought I’d switch to a terminal without cmd-f, but ghostty made it worth it. Can’t wait for v1.3!

aayushdutt 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

[flagged]

sethammons 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

while I agree, the comment you just replied to says:

> Ghostty 1.3 is around the corner, literally a week or two away, and will bring some critically important features like search (cmd+f), scrollbars, and dozens more

jen20 5 hours ago | parent [-]

It works well enough that I didn't realize I've been on the nightly channel since it appeared, too!

eelke 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

FYI: It is working in nightly!

fragmede 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hi,

Big fan. Can I get a ride on your jet?

veqq 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> front page

Nice! Looks like I should have rushed the interview. :D