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>>What happened in Tiananmen Square in 1989, June Fourth Incident

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Why are compromises not reasonable lines to hold?

I agree, if you can do boycott all of them (and maybe use open weight models locally or on e2ee cloud inference providers) - BUT I also think it 's crucial at a moment like this to take a stance against corporations like openAi that sign with the War Department, willing to introduce mass surveillance and autonomous weapons powered by brittle LLMs. This is a recipe for disaster and the only way they will sway away is by feeling it in the money/subscriptions and in their public image they so carefully crafted.

Note: yes, openAi claims it doesn't support the DoW above mentioned use-caes - but they have signed with the DoW and it is HIGHLY unlikely the DoW would give them a different terms than Antrohopic (at least regarding the substance). Maybe openAi was just happy with the "coat of paint" legalese the DoW offered - which Anthropic specifically called out as ineffective in their statement. I also wouldn't put it past Altman, who is much more friendly with Trumpo's gov, to play a double game here to get their main competitor out of the game. But at least in this case I hope he's acting for the benefit of all by truly standing with Anthropic on the issue.

> I can't decouple from Google unfortunately

Why not?

FYI I am a paying Workspace customer. I disabled Gemini retention. Doing so means no chat history sidebar- all are ephemeral. It was org-level. That became impractical. I re-enabled it. Magically, all of my old chats were back. The ones during no retention mode weren’t there. Perhaps if I’d left it off for more than 30 days the old stuff would have been truly removed.

The point is there is no conversation-level controls. It’s incredibly user-hostile.

It's all or nothing for Gemini Pro.

I can't set a voice reminder on my Pixel without giving full access to my Google workspace (which includes all emails) which is explicitly allowed to be trained on per the terms. There is no per app toggle.

Voice reminders were the only thing assistants did well for years.

We are going backwards.

I like Gemini the model, but the app itself sucks. You can't even delete conversations if you're an enterprise workspace user.

That's not correct, at least not here inEurope.

You can disable saving your activity In this case you chat's win't be stored or used.

If you use Gemini through Google Workspace, all chat's won't leave the workspace environment and won't be used for LLM training (as of now).

That's not correct. If you didable activity your data won't be used. You eon't have daved chats and can inly have one.

The API doesn't retain your data, but then you do need to pay fully for each token.

I’d argue that it’s not specifically that they prefer it, it’s that they don’t understand and appreciate what they’re selling to get whatever service without paying money. Now that we live in a world where everything is collected, aggregated, sold, and weaponized regardless of you paying or not, maybe it doesn’t matter much anyway.

Generally I would agree, only in this case the name seems to fit the person better than the actual name.

Grok isn't even in the running. It's a "me too" embarrassment that only exists so the owner can feel as though he's a meaningful participant.

It is indeed, though personally I do not perceive Grok/xAi as one of the top LLM companies. Yes, they do some benchmark-maxing, but I do not think they are on par with Anthropic, Google/DeepMind or openAi.

Not a real AI company, every time Grok shows actual intelligence it gets lobotomized by Elon to glaze him

At some point being childish became a signal of authority in the US. It’s bizarre.

Those of us whose intelligence is unaffected by reading a single extra letter are keeping you in our thoughts.

Oh yes, you get free UBI / Worldcoins - you just need to do a full scan with their creepy orb and allow a private-company to keep your full biometric data. That's not asking for too much, is it ... ?

Well you have to have customers to have a boycott

Investor confidence is far more important to them than cashflow, and the best way to shake investor confidence is with the magic words "user numbers are down".

That sounds smart but they still raise more money because they “have 900 million users”

If it’s free, then you’re the product. OpenAI gets your data and ad revenue, and can raise more investor money due to how many users they have.

# of sticky non-paying users still gives them more investment juice than per user costs deducts, since we're still in the speculative phase.

If you aren’t paying for the product, you are the product being sold. No, thank you.

Free services are garbage, you dun know what you're getting routed to

You do probably give them useful data by doing that.

ChatGPT is going to try to influence you to buy certain products and use certain services. So you'll be the product in the end

We can lower that to a 54 year old:

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1889070627908145538 https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1935733153119010910 https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1894244902357406013 https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1955299075781431726 https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1889371675164303791 https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1935539112746041422 https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1955190817251102883 https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1955195673693077615 https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1889063777792069911 https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1910171944671916305

I always assume people have lost the argument when they resort to giving people comedy names, regardless of what else they've said.

It's using Trumpian tactics to carry an agenda.

Microslop

Scam Saltman is even better

Turns out Microstein Files would have been a better nickname.