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jameshilliard 4 hours ago

It was pretty obvious that if the negotiations failed that the US would respond by attacking Iran. Iran didn't seem willing to give up their nuclear weapons program regardless of the quite predictable consequences.

mullingitover 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I doubt the negotiations were in good faith, probably just a political 'see, we tried' gesture full of deal-breaker bad faith proposals. I think the plan all along has been to attack, probably for more than a year.

You don't go and rename a whole federal department to 'Department of War' when you don't intend to get into wars.

no-name-here 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

  1. The U.S. and Iran had already negotiated and signed a nuclear agreement between our countries but Trump reneged on the already-negotiated agreement.
  2. Trump claimed that his previous attacks on Iran within the last year “completely and totally obliterated” their nuclear program, “obliterated like nobody’s ever seen before” - both direct Trump quotes. Trump was quite clear that Iran’s nuclear program had already been destroyed like nothing had ever been destroyed before.
swimmingdolphin 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

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jameshilliard 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> 1. The U.S. and Iran had already negotiated and signed a nuclear agreement between our countries but Trump reneged on the already-negotiated agreement.

Yeah, I agree that was probably a bad idea, doesn't make what I stated above any less true.

> 2. Trump claimed that his previous attacks on Iran within the last year “completely and totally obliterated” their nuclear program, “obliterated like nobody’s ever seen before” - both direct Trump quotes. Trump was quite clear that Iran’s nuclear program had already been destroyed like nothing had ever been destroyed before.

Yes...Trump lies all the time, that's nothing new.

NoLinkToMe 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> doesn't make what I stated above any less true.

Yes it does, it makes everything you said untrue. You stated Iran doesn't want to give up its nuclear programme, not true. Iran in fact already did agree to it, Trump then threw that in the trash.

Second, it shows the Nuclear threat wasn't the issue because he had a solution for it and threw it away. Then bombed Iran destroying it ostensibly, then continued bombing for regime change. So it's not obvious negotiations failed over nuclear which you stated, because it wasn't about nuclear.

Negotiations failed over dismantling Iranian power, mostly its ballistic weapons. i.e. give up weapons and make yourself defenseless to maintain peace. Like the Palestinians did with Israel, after which they're still being murdered daily, aid is still being blocked, and the west bank is increasingly being colonised. In other words an absurd ask from a sovereign country with multiple expansionist neighbours including one that bombed you and virtually all its neighbours last year.

bambax 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What's predictable is, if you don't have nuclear weapons, you get attacked. Ask Ukraine. If I were a small country (any country for that matter) the first order of business would be to build myself nuclear weapons now.

pydry 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Ask Libya. They gave up their nuclear weapons program as a sign of good will.

The US then lied through their teeth to the security council about wanting to conduct a humanitarian operation and instead acted as the rebels' air force, helping them win and subsequently leaving the country in utter ruin.

Hikikomori 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Did Israel bomb the Iranian negotiators again?

netsharc 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They were literally in the middle of negotiations, but Trump started the war anyway...

strangegecko 2 hours ago | parent [-]

"In the middle of negotiations" is arguably more and more used as a carte blanche to do whatever you want in the meantime. Prominent recent example being Putin pretending to be ready to negotiate for peace while bombing Ukraine.

The question is really whether negotiations were going on in good faith with the actual goal of realistic compromise.

None of us know that side, I would assume.

2Gkashmiri 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

there is news iran accepted to zero nuclear enrichment so what are you saying?

dodomodo 2 hours ago | parent [-]

there were not such news

2Gkashmiri an hour ago | parent [-]

https://www.moneycontrol.com/world/oman-says-iran-agrees-to-...

why are you lying

coffinbirth 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It was Trump who cancelled to JCPOA. Also, sending Witkoff and Kushner as negotiators is already an obvious sign the US is dishonest about preventing conflicts through diplomacy, otherwise they would send experienced diplomats. It is really the US Epstein Class Deep State government to blame here.

They could have named the DOD the "Department Of Peace", instead they called it the "Department Of War", showing their true face and trajectory.

At this point it is really the people of the US to rise up and implement a Regime Change from within to change things for the better.

po_ta_to 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You believe everything the US says? lol

lyu07282 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You all just keep lying endlessly, I think most people get it at this point. Iran was prepared to go further than the JCPOA, it was never enough because it was never about nuclear weapons.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/2/28/peace-within-reach-...

throwawayheui57 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I speak Persian (Farsi) and in state TV, every day, they said we won’t back down and won’t give up anything. Watch the supreme leader’s translated speech. Straight from the horse mouth! Who’s lying here?

Just to be clear I’m not pro war! I take Iranian regime as the first and foremost responsible party in this mess and then US! My people stuck in this disaster of a power struggle.

hjkl0 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I can tell you that in Israel, the prime minister is daily on the news describing how much we are ready to give up and prepared to back down.

Obviously the leaders of both our countries want what’s best for all of us and always tell us the truth, right?

Revanche1367 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For a Persian you have very US republican boomer speaking patterns. And of course a very recent account.

Matl 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The US demands were for Iran to give up all its offensive capabilities so that Israel and the US can bomb it with impunity every time they please.

It would be foolish for the Iranians to agree to that. But useful idiots will be useful idiots.

throwawayheui57 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Iran’s FM’s statements on the negotiations contradict these claims. They said that they had productive talks and reasonable progress! Did they lie?

Matl 2 hours ago | parent [-]

'productive talks and reasonable progress' is what diplomats almost always say in negotiations in order to maintain a reasonable atmosphere for possible further negotiations, this is not rocket science.

They also said the US demands are completely unreasonable, which you conveniently left out.

throwawayheui57 an hour ago | parent [-]

> They also said the US demands are completely unreasonable, which you conveniently left out.

Can you give me some official sources that explain what exactly was negotiated and demanded on both sides?

lyu07282 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What do you even think the words diplomacy and negotiation even mean? Of course it included independent oversight to any extend the US wanted. There is nothing that Iran can do to satisfy the requirements for peace because the goal of the US is war, Iran has no interest in war that leads to their destruction. For fuck sake it didn't even include any sanction relief! Wake the fuck up!

The magnitude of human suffering this will bring, civil war, sectarian violence, it all leads to hundreds of millions of people dying, millions of people displaced. Nobody likes the Iranian regime, just like nobody liked Saddam, its not the point. These wars are barbaric, not in the interests of anybody but Israel and a select few American arms dealers and pedophiles that propagandize their way to barely conscious sheep in the west clapping along to the barbarism AGAIN.

throwawayheui57 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> Wake the fuck up!

The obnoxious sanctimonious behavior of telling random Iranians to “wake the fuck up” as if we have a saying in what either Iranian government or the US side does. Go pound sand.

lyu07282 an hour ago | parent [-]

Evidently I care more about the hundreds of thousands of Iranian people that will die in this war than you. All you do is repeat the talking points of the Trump administration. I've seen this all before, the Iraq war broke peoples brains in exactly the same way, nobody learned anything at all.

throwawayheui57 an hour ago | parent [-]

Oh these poor Iranians need saviors, they don’t know what’s good for them. We know better. They don’t learn.

Don’t you see any similarity between what you say and any colonial. And my brain is broken?

Let me put it in a way that’s easy to comprehend for you. War is bad and Iranian government is as much responsible for this war as the US. I don’t understand how this is so triggering for some.

edit.

> Evidently I care more about the hundreds of thousands of Iranian people that will die in this war than you.

Did you care equally when thousands of Iranians were massacred in the streets by the government or the “care” activates only when convenient?

jameshilliard 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> it was never about nuclear weapons

The only reason to enrich uranium to 60% like Iran was doing is for nuclear weapons purposes.

tsimionescu 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That's not the point. The point is that the attacks on Iran are not about the nuclear weapons. Iran entered the JCPOA and complied with it, it had completely suspended any nuclear weapons program. But that didn't matter for Israel and their sycophants in US foreign policy, because for them the nuclear weapons program is at best only one part of the problem. Their real problem is that Iran is an independent state in the region that refuses to accept Israel's occupation of Gaza, the West Bank, and parts of Lebanon, and that refuses to comply with US policies more broadly.

Overall the goal is not to stop Iran's nuclear program, though that is part of it. The goal would be to install a government in Iran that is friendly to Israel and the USA, or, failing that, to completely destroy their economy and defense such that they effectively can't act outside their own borders.

tome 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Israel's occupation of ... parts of Lebanon

Which parts of Lebanon does Israel occupy?

Qem 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/11/14/un-peacekeepers-sa...

tome 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> The wall extends across the so-called Blue Line and has made “more than 4,000 square metres [43,055sq feet] of Lebanese territory inaccessible to the Lebanese people”

So you're saying Israel's occupation of Lebanon amounts to 4,000 square metres? About the area of an athletics track, I guess? (Not counting the bit inside the athletics track.)

Y-bar an hour ago | parent [-]

How much land area, exactly, is another nation allowed to seize by force before it becomes unacceptable to you? It obviously is not that much given the tone of your message.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Lebanese_confl...

tome an hour ago | parent [-]

That's not the question I'm interested in. The question I'm interested in is whether it's correct to claim that Israel occupies "parts of Lebanon", particularly in the context in which the claim was made, next to the claim that it occupies Gaza and the West Bank.

Y-bar an hour ago | parent [-]

I could have sworn that I saw a goalpost here. Why is it over there now?

orwin 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The south. It's not a real occupation like the west bank, it's more of a 'raid and pillage' thing. No rape reported yet, so it isn't at all like the West Bank.

catlikesshrimp 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Israel only has outposts in Lebanese territory.

In Syria, Israel had a buffer zone since 1974. Last year they said the agreement had "collapsed" and went on to occupy even more territoru: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/2/26/israel-carries-out-...

Palestine is occupied.

swingboy 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This. Everything going on is one step closer to Israeli dominance of the region and “Greater Israel”.

Matl 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No, the reason is to have a deterrence so that Iran could say, 'hey, if you attack us we'll develop nukes'.

By the way, I am a lot more worried about Israel and its actual nuclear stockpile that has zero oversight.

gryzzly 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Its good u have no say in whatever important.

halflife 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And burying your facilities under a mountain is not suspect at all

pydry 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Not especially. Their other facilities were being bombed routinely by Israel (along with infrastructure).

halflife 2 hours ago | parent [-]

So they have medical grade uranium facility under a mountain? If that’s all they need, wouldn’t it be easier to just purchase it from a third party instead of investing billions of dollars hiding from Israel?

metalman 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

there are many reasons to do nuclear research beyond medicine, for batteries like the ones powering the voyager space craft, nuclear reactors come in a wide variety of configurations, and many of them actualy produce more radioactive elements that then need to be managed. 60% is nothing,80% is nothing, it needs to be 93%++, and LOTS of it to build a bomb, and given the number of bombs already arrayed around Iran, they would need 100's and all the infrastructure to become a credible threat , for which they plainly dont have the money to afford. The wildly unpopular leaders going after Iran need a scapegoat, or rather a continious supply of scapegoats, but have failed to recognise that the world is moving past them.

pseingatl 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

True. Medical needs require only a lower percentage. I don't know if Iran was planning any fission reactors.