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an0malous 3 hours ago

Don’t forget the “all they have to do is return the hostages” line

YZF an hour ago | parent | next [-]

There was a second part to that which is "and surrender".

But there's definitely been a large reduction in violence since the hostages were returned. Most or all of it in response to violations of the ceasefire by Hamas.

igravious 25 minutes ago | parent [-]

> There was a second part to that which is "and surrender".

Honest question. Why should they surrender?

> Most or all of it in response to violations of the ceasefire by Hamas.

A complete and utter inversion of reality.

First page of Google results for: Israel ceasefire violations

“How many times has Israel violated the Gaza ceasefire? Here are the numbers: Since the ceasefire took effect, Israeli attacks have killed at least 615 Palestinians and injured 1,658.” https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/11/11/how-many-times-has...

“UN experts urge States to act as Israeli violations threaten fragile Gaza ceasefire” https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/11/un-experts-u...

“Israel has violated ceasefire 47 times and killed 38 Palestinians” https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/oct/18/israel-has-vio...

“Fact Sheet: Israel’s History of Breaking Ceasefires” https://imeu.org/resources/resources/fact-sheet-israels-hist...

YZF 4 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Your Google search returns all the anti-Israeli propaganda. That much is not surprising. Are we expecting Al Jazeera to support Israel? Or the UN? Or the Guardian?

This is from Gemini:

### Military and Security Violations * *Direct Attacks on IDF Troops:* There have been multiple incidents of Palestinian militants opening fire on Israeli forces. For example, the IDF reported 14 specific ceasefire violations between February 5 and February 20, 2026, which included armed militants emerging from underground tunnel shafts in eastern Rafah to attack soldiers. * *Breaching the Demarcation Line:* Militants have repeatedly crossed the "Yellow Line"—the agreed-upon boundary separating Israeli-controlled and Hamas-controlled zones in Gaza—while armed. The IDF views these armed approaches as an imminent threat and an explicit violation of the truce. * *Refusal to Disarm:* A central condition of the U.S.-brokered ceasefire plan requires Hamas to decommission its weapons. Hamas has publicly and privately refused to disarm or dismantle its remaining military infrastructure, such as its tunnel networks.

### Political and Humanitarian Violations * *Obstructing Transitional Governance:* Nickolay Mladenov, the top diplomat overseeing the ceasefire transition, recently stated that Hamas is actively obstructing the agreement by refusing to hand over day-to-day institutional control of the enclave to the technocratic National Committee for the Administration of Gaza (NCAG). * *Withholding Hostage Remains:* As part of the phased ceasefire, Hamas was required to return all remaining hostages and the bodies of deceased captives. The IDF reported that Hamas violated these terms by withholding the locations of bodies and delaying the return of the remains of several deceased hostages for months.

Here's one reference: https://www.idf.il/en/mini-sites/israel-hamas-war-gaza/artic...

Why should they surrender? Because they started the war and Israel has the right to persecute this war until their enemy surrenders. If they want to stop fighting that's the word you're looking for - surrender. If they want to keep fighting (with their dirty methods, in civilian clothes, in hospitals and schools, attacking civilians) they have to accept the consequences of that.

BurningFrog 11 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

> Honest question. Why should they surrender?

The full statement is something like "to end the war, Hamas only need to return the hostages and surrender".

Surrendering is typically what the losing side needs to do to end a war.

TacticalCoder 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Don’t forget the “all they have to do is return the hostages” line

So there's zero link whatsoever between Hamas executing 1200 civilians on Oct 7th, taking 200 hostages, and the following war (and war crimes) of Israel?

Israel literally unilaterally began a war and committed war crimes without any act of aggression?

And from the moment 200 hostages had been taken, many of whom died in captivity, everything was carved in stone and no matter what Hamas did, Israel was going anyway to war and to commit war crimes?

Or did something happen on Oct 7th that triggered all this?

austin-cheney an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Actually a large number of those 1200 were killed by Israeli incendiary rounds fired from helicopters due to Operation Hannibal. It’s why the estimates kept getting rounded down from an initial 1500, because many of the bodies were too badly incinerated to be counted accurately.

BurningFrog a minute ago | parent | next [-]

The investigation into this found 14 deaths from Hannibal Directive actions. Mostly firing on vehicles carrying hostages.

Report: https://www.un.org/unispal/document/coi-report-a-hrc-56-26-2...

ceejayoz an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

This is a wild enough sounding claim it deserves a cite.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-07/israel-hannibal-direc...

xg15 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If they wanted to go after Hamas, why did they employ methods of combat that were guaranteed to affect civilians, like cutting off the entire strip from food supply?

Or the massacre that this thread is about for that matter?

harimau777 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

The issue isn't whether or not Israel started it. It's the genocide they did once it started.