| ▲ | ddxv 6 hours ago |
| Where are the AI features in Firefox? Looking around right now the only one I see is right click tab -> Summarize page (NEW). I googled a bit and see they have some grouping of tabs feature I've never used/seen (or want). The only other maybe AI feature I remember seeing is the odd left hand bar that is there on fresh installs and I usually remove to declutter. Are those the features this kill switch removes or was there a deeper issue here? |
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| ▲ | mrklol 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Firefox mentions the following ones: "- Translations, which help you browse the web in your preferred language. - Alt text in PDFs, which add accessibility descriptions to images in PDF pages. - AI-enhanced tab grouping, which suggests related tabs and group names. - Link previews, which show key points before you open a link. - AI chatbot in the sidebar, which lets you use your chosen chatbot as you browse, including options like Anthropic Claude, ChatGPT, Microsoft Copilot, Google Gemini and Le Chat Mistral." |
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| ▲ | techwizrd 10 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Whoa, I have been looking for AI-enhanced tab grouping for a while. This is actually pretty awesome. | |
| ▲ | mort96 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I wonder what sort of user testing made them decide that what Firefox users really need is a chat bot in the site bar. Isn't a chat bot in a tab good enough? And calling translation "AI" seems like deceitful retroactive rebranding. Why is machine translation suddenly "AI" now? It was never branded as such before. Is "AI" here just used to mean machine learning? | | |
| ▲ | wongarsu 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The word artificial intelligence was coined in a 1955 research proposal [1] which listed seven aspects of the "artificial intelligence problem". Computers using languages was one of them. Another is "neuron nets", which would indeed encompass a large part of ML and at least Google Translate since circa 2016 [2]. This is also perfectly in line with how the word AI was used until circa 2022. The weird thing is this narrowing of AI to only mean transformer or diffusion based neural network approaches. And many translation approaches would even fall under that, so not sure how narrow you perceive the term to be now. How do you even define AI to include everything OpenAI calls AI but not include modern translation approaches 1: https://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/history/dartmouth/dartmo... 2: https://web.archive.org/web/20180507195240/https://ai.google... | |
| ▲ | input_sh 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | IMHO no. Every chatbot has so much wasted space, it really doesn't need to be full-width. Also, what's easier? Option 1: Being on a tab, copying the URL of the tab, switching to the chatbot tab, pasting the URL and writing some instructions about what to do with that tab. Option 2: Clicking on the "summarise page" button (whether from the sidebar or from right-click context menu), and having the browser pre-fill the prompt with the URL + the reader view version of the content on that page. | | |
| ▲ | mort96 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Option 3: don't | | |
| ▲ | input_sh 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Then you right-click on the AI button and click on "remove", but that's a whole different discussion than what you asked in the previous comment. It's also why I really don't understand the need for a kill switch to begin with (other than pleasing annoying users), you don't need to wait for it. You can already get rid of the chatbot integration, there's a remove button already. It's also kind of annoyingly easy to misclick it, so they're just gonna remove it from those places and put it away in settings and those same annoying users will consider that a win. | | |
| ▲ | shakna 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Because what people want is not an opt-out, like Mozilla have given, but an opt-in. This is the grudging half-measure. Many would have preferred the updates to come with a form asking for on or off. It didn't, so they complained, and this was the answer. | |
| ▲ | mort96 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Why can't you people who want a ChatGPT sidebar just add that as a plugin? | | |
| ▲ | input_sh 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | "You people"? Take a look at my comment history and see my takes on AI please, but this is like the least harmful way of integrating it and yet "you people" are the loudest about it. Can you do the same on Windows? Is it tucked away in settings on macOS? Can you disable it on Google? Can you disable it anywhere else? Why are you the most vocal about the integration that is literally the easiest to turn off? You need two clicks to do it right now, you're gonna need at least three once this kill switch is in settings. | | |
| ▲ | mort96 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | The AI boosting from the likes of you is the reason Mozilla is sinking Firefox by turning it into an "AI browser". I don't want anything to do with that. I would've been equally outraged about Windows becoming an "agentic OS" if I had been a Windows user. I don't like what Apple is doing to my phone and laptop, but at least they haven't promised to make the iPhone an "AI phone". More than one thing can be bad at a time, and right now, this conversation is about Mozilla. We can have a conversation about other bad things some other time. | | |
| ▲ | input_sh 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > The AI boosting from the likes of you Again, look at my comment history. I'm not discussing AI-as-a-whole because as you've pointed out it's not the topic of this discussion. I'm discussing how trivial it is to turn off as opposed to literally anywhere else, and that's not even discussing the provider choice you don't get anywhere else. There's a whole section in macOS/iOS settings titled "Apple Intelligence and Siri" with ChatGPT being the only option, and you're seemingly happy with that compromise. Yet here you are complaining about an integration that's even easier to turn off and allows you to pick between 5 providers. There is literally no way of triggering it that doesn't immediately show you the "turn it off" button as it is right now (as in before this update reaches me). I also invite you to go to firefox.com right now and find me a single mention of AI, since you for some reason are imagining that it is being advertised as an "AI browser". | | |
| ▲ | mort96 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | > There's a whole section in macOS/iOS settings titled "Apple Intelligence and Siri" with ChatGPT being the only option, and you're seemingly happy with that compromise If you read my comment again, it might occur to you that no, I'm not happy with what Apple is doing to iOS and macOS: I don't like what Apple is doing to my phone and laptop
> I also invite you to go to firefox.com right now and find me a single mention of AI, since you for some reason are imagining that it is being advertised as an "AI
browser".Is mozilla.com OK? If so, here you go: https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/leadership/mozillas-next... Firefox will grow from a browser into a broader ecosystem of trusted software.
Firefox will remain our anchor.
It will evolve into a modern AI browser and support a portfolio of new and trusted software additions.
"It will evolve into a modern AI browser". I don't want an AI browser, modern or otherwise. |
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| ▲ | godelski 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | They aren't AI boasting, they just don't agree with you. Stop pretending everyone is your enemy | | |
| ▲ | mort96 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | They're describing a chat bot side bar as a useful feature that belongs in a browser, as a feature that's enabled by default. That's AI boosting (not boasting). |
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| ▲ | lynndotpy 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | "AI" is a term which means a dozen things and has changed a dozen times. It's about as meaningful a signifier as "smart". If I were to draw a line, I'd say AI is anything with a transformer model powering it. As exhausted by 'AI' as I am, translation is one of the things neural networks (and especially transformers) have been constantly improving SOTA on. | |
| ▲ | Dwedit an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I've run an AI translation tool under a debugger just to see what it did. It tokenized your input, fed it into a model, then ran the model. Literally the same thing as any other local AI software. Except the model was for translation. | |
| ▲ | throwawayk7h 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I saw someone else using this feature. It does more than just be a chat bot. You can direct it to automate tasks like go to a web page, search for stuff, etc. -- I asked it to go to pinterest and download the top ten images for "cyberpunk," and it succeeded. Nifty I suppose. | | |
| ▲ | dormento 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | As much as i detest everything about it, i must admit i'm mildly curious as to what workflows people are using it for. |
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| ▲ | AndrewDucker 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | They use a Neural Network engine to power it. That definitely counts as AI: https://aclanthology.org/P18-4020/ | |
| ▲ | nsvd2 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The transformer architecture that powers large language models was designed by Google for the purposes of machine translation. As others have said, ML and AI have always been closely related if not synonymous. | |
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| ▲ | jeppester 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > I wonder what sort of user testing made them decide that what Firefox users really need is a chat bot in the site bar. Isn't a chat bot in a tab good enough? If it wasn't because I find myself using the AI-sidebar all the time I would probably have shared your opinion. I guess it's just quite convenient to have it separated from the "regular" tabs and their history. | | |
| ▲ | UI_at_80x24 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Could you please describe your use-case? How do you use it? How do you make use of it? I use Claude code, so I understand that paradigm; I don't grok this though. Is it any different then going to a web page i.e. gemini.google.com and typing your query there? Could this side bar have been a "search bar" at the top?
Now that I say it out lou, adding them to the 'search providers' isn't a bad idea. Generally speaking I am against this being shoved at us, but I find it as a useful tool in a limited number of areas. | |
| ▲ | mort96 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Then you can install an AI extension. | | |
| ▲ | jeppester 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | You were saying: > I wonder what sort of user testing made them decide that what Firefox users really need is a chat bot in the site bar I answered: > If it wasn't because I find myself using the AI-sidebar all the time I would probably have shared your opinion. Perhaps they did actually test it. Perhaps the majority is like me and find it useful. > Then you can install an AI extension. As mentioned I didn't know that I'd like this feature. I wouldn't have reached for such an extension. It's obvious that you don't want this functionality - which you can now easily disable. What if the majority of the users actually like this? Or the majority either like it or are not the slightest bothered by it? Is it not a good addition overall then? |
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| ▲ | johnnyanmac 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Wouldn't be the first time. Google gave an option to turn off gemini in Gmail, and suddenly the inbox tabs they had for over a decade decided to disappear. |
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| ▲ | Spixel_ 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | They all seem like great features. | | |
| ▲ | mrweasel 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | On paper yes. The problem is that they clutter the UI, they trigger at weird times and they turn out to be less useful that they may appear. Then there's also people, like me, who just want the browser to browse the web. I don't want link preview (annoying feature), Firefox isn't my PDF viewer, I don't have that many tabs that I need to group them and I don't use AI chatbots. So having a single button to disable all of these features is pretty great. I still want a Firefox Lite, that just does browsing and allows me to add the few extension I want to whatever feature I believe is missing. | | | |
| ▲ | MallocVoidstar 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I started clicking a 'next page' link before I'd actually finished reading something (so I kept holding the mouse buttown down), and a couple of seconds later Firefox popped up a 'link preview' box informing me that I was clicking on a link to a web forum. Wow, thanks, couldn't have figured that out myself. (It did not actually summarize the next page in any way.) |
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| ▲ | fleebee 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I get some kind of AI summary when I do a long left click on a link. I'm sure I'm not the only one to accidentally trigger that one. |
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| ▲ | gpvos 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Page translation is mentioned in TFA. It appears in the address bar on pages detected to be in a foreign language, and is also in the main hamburger menu. |
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| ▲ | pamcake 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Recently I also discovered about:translations. Dunno why it's hidden from about:about. |
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| ▲ | godelski 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| There's also a side window you can open that can connect to a chatbot. There's translation (on device). Also semantic history search. |
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| ▲ | koolala 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Ever see colored circles in your tabs? |
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| ▲ | on_the_train 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| YouTube is completely broken with this shitty spark thing. Also yesterday I was greeted with an entire new sidebar. It's comical |
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| ▲ | vitorgrs 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Lol. At first I was thinking it was a AI kill switch on web pages (like Google overview...). I guess was being naive that they would do that, and also weird because there's barely any AI stuff on Firefox indeed... |