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mangoman 3 hours ago

There’s something off-putting about making a blog post about some splashy tech that’s is a fork of an open source project, and that tech not also being open source? It reads to me like “Hey, we thought the open source goose project was just okay, so we forked it to do it better. But we’re not going to contribute it back to and instead rename it.”

I think it probably wouldn’t be as weird if the project were a meaningfully different fork of it, but it sounds like it’s trying to accomplish the same goals as the open source project which I feel should probably be ported back? and renaming it seems sorta ungrateful? Kinda like that “you made this? I made this” meme. Maybe I just don’t have an understanding of how different the projects are though…

surajrmal an hour ago | parent | next [-]

They seem to have just optimized its integration with their existing tooling and workflows. That doesn't sound largely useful to the broader community. It's also probably different enough from goose at this point that rebranding it makes sense. I do think such integrations are hugely important for productivity and usefulness of this sort of tool. It seems like the post is advocating for doing deep 1p integration to further improve the utility of coding agents.

unfunco 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

…and you can get almost identical features by simply installing the GitHub app inside Slack, and then asking Copilot to work on something, this should take < 5m to set up for any organisation using Slack and GitHub.

hombre_fatal an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How would they contribute back when their fork is a customization of how it works?

> We’ve customized the orchestration flow in an opinionated way to interleave agent loops and deterministic code

Is goose in such disrepair that you can just drop code changes into it and the smol developer auto-accepts it, happy that anyone is doing the work?

Or is goose actually it's own project with 250 issues and 74 PRs and might have its own ideas about how it's built?

jcims 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don’t know enough about either but if their approach was to make it substantially more opinionated, which is likely in the case of an org that’s subject to audits, it would make sense to keep it separate.

nkohari 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't have specific information about Minions, but I do know about Stripe's architecture and internal tooling.

The article isn't really talking about changes they made to goose, it's describing how they went about integrating goose with the rest of their developer infrastructure (ie. the AWS-based remote devbox system, Toolshed, etc).

Hasnep 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Welcome to the free software movement!

oytis 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Copyleft license would not help if they are only using it internally

post-it 2 hours ago | parent [-]

AGPL would

candiddevmike 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Do you have access to Stripes minion service so you can demand the source code?

No copy left license requires contributing your changes.

firtoz 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If they didn't violate the licence agreement then I'm struggling to understand why it's off putting

dkersten 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Just because it’s legal and allowed doesn’t mean it’s not off putting.

Personally, I have no issue with them making their own internal fork, but then blogging about their thing without contributing it back leaves a little bad taste. If it’s so good, then contribute it back, since they benefited from the volunteers.

dist-epoch 2 hours ago | parent [-]

You can't have it both ways. As a library author choose MIT to encourage commercial usage because companies are afraid of GPL, but then complain that companies are actually using it in a MIT license way without contributing back.

dkersten 40 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I can find it off putting regardless. Especially since I’m not the person who released it under MIT license.

thn-gap 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

License it GPL, and it will be fed to a model as training data to recreate it copyright free anyways.

orangecoffee 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Training falls outside of copyright concerns because of fair use, so proprietary or free is orthogonal. This is how the world is currently trending.

toyg 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Law, spirit of the law, common decency. Rare currency these days, I know...

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citizenkeen 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You don’t have to agree that it’s off-putting, but if you’re “struggling to understand why” that demonstrates a serious lack of empathy and awareness of social dynamics.

jMyles 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> If they didn't violate the licence agreement then I'm struggling to understand why it's off putting

What? Who cares about the license agreement? Lawyers and bureaucrats maybe. The real issue with _any_ software project is whether it is meant to be a step toward a more livable and peaceful world or not. Sure, some people make guided missile software to murder people for profit, but that's just obviously antisocial behavior, regardless of how well it complies with license agreements.

Hasnep 2 hours ago | parent [-]

If you put up a sign on your house saying "businesses, feel free to come use my driveway for whatever you want" and McDonald's sets up a restaurant there then you won't have much sympathy from me.

nigger238 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You should always expect this when you make MIT. When you give every company permission to fork your software, make it proprietary, and sue you for copying or reverse engineering it, don't be surprised when they do exactly that. It's in their best interest, after all.