| ▲ | moralestapia 4 hours ago | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
It's the camera-only mandate, and it's not Elon's but Karpathy's. Any engineering student can understand why LIDAR+Radar+RGB is better than just a single camera; and any person moderately aware of tech can realize that digital cameras are nowhere as good as the human eye. But yeah, he's a genius or something. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | epistasis 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I have enjoyed Karpathy's educational materials over the years, but somehow missed that he was involved with Tesla to this degree. This was a very insightful comment from 9 years ago on the topic: > What this really reflects is that Tesla has painted itself into a corner. They've shipped vehicles with a weak sensor suite that's claimed to be sufficient to support self-driving, leaving the software for later. Tesla, unlike everybody else who's serious, doesn't have a LIDAR. > Now, it's "later", their software demos are about where Google was in 2010, and Tesla has a big problem. This is a really hard problem to do with cameras alone. Deep learning is useful, but it's not magic, and it's not strong AI. No wonder their head of automatic driving quit. Karpathy may bail in a few months, once he realizes he's joined a death march. > ... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14600924 Karpathy left in 2022. Turns out that the commenter, Animats, is John Nagle! | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | cameldrv 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Digital cameras are much worse than the human eye, especially when it comes to dynamic range, but I don't think that's all that widely known actually. There are also better and worse digital cameras, and the ones on a Waymo are very good, and the ones on a Tesla aren't that great, and that makes a huge difference. Beyond even the cameras themselves, humans can move their head around, use sun visors, put on sunglasses, etc to deal with driving into the sun, but AVs don't have these capabilities yet. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | xiphias2 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Using only cameras is a business decision, not tech decision: will camera + NN be good enough before LIDAR+Radar+RGB+NN can scale up. For me it looks like they will reach parity at about the same time, so camera only is not totally stupid. What's stupid is forcing robotaxi on the road before the technology is ready. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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