| ▲ | anderber 4 hours ago |
| That's insane. We're talking about the government threatening a station if they air an interview with a political rival. |
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| ▲ | Jordan-117 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Tbh, in this case the fault lies more with CBS for obeying in advance. The FCC hasn't actually made the rule change yet. |
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| ▲ | pdpi 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The FCC opened a probe on The View[0] for hosting Talarico. They haven't made a rule change, but they're definitely acting as if the rules already say what they want it to say. [0]: https://www.fox7austin.com/news/fcc-opening-probe-the-view-a... | | |
| ▲ | CGMthrowaway 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Already in 2026, Colbert has hosted Senator Jon Ossoff and Governor Josh Shapiro who are both up for re-election this year. Why no probe in those cases? | | |
| ▲ | mandevil 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | This whole fight is about something called the "bona fides news exception." Basically, in 2006 the FCC ruled that late night interviews were always bona fides news interviews (and therefore not subject to equal time), on January 21st FCC Chairman Brendan Carr wrote a letter suggesting (but not declaring) that the 2006 ruling was incorrect and might be revoked. Separately, currently elected politicians are pretty much always considered to be bona fides interview subjects, even if they happen to be running for reelection, because e.g. the Governor of Pennsylvania expressing opinions is news. If CBS lawyers wanted to fight and bring Talarico on, they would probably win- the letter is not actually changing the rule, and the FCC would have to defend the rule change in court and would probably lose. But the point is that CBS has determined to be working towards the Fuehrer, and wants to do so, and so they are doing what they are doing. | |
| ▲ | pdpi 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Like you said: re-election. Re-election just maintains the status quo. The concern here is Talarico specifically, and that he might flip Texas. | | |
| ▲ | CGMthrowaway 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Talarico's potential future senate seat is already occupied by someone in his own party though | | |
| ▲ | georgemcbay 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Talarico's potential future senate seat is already occupied by someone in his own party though ...?? Both current Texas Senators are Republicans. Talarico (a Democrat) is running for Cornyn's seat |
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| ▲ | gamerdonkey 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Cynicism warning, but my honest guess is they see that the Colbert problem will be solved in June and so don't feel the need to spend any effort on him. | |
| ▲ | pseudalopex 33 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Ossoff and Shapiro had not filed as candidates reportedly.[1] [1] https://latenighter.com/news/jon-ossoffs-colbert-fcc-equal-t... |
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| ▲ | hackyhacky 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Correct. CBS is now owned by Larry Ellison's son. They are big supporters of the current administration. This act, among others, shows that they are willing to silence dissenting voices on media properties they own. | | | |
| ▲ | hangonhn 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This is exactly how effective censorship works. For example, what most people don't understand about Chinese censorship is that the foundation of their system is that everything is attributable to someone eventually. So they start by targeting anonymity. Then when something they don't like is published and gains traction, the originating party and the major distributors are punished -- sometimes very publicly. The chilling effect is that people will learn to self censor. Oh and they keep the rules really vague so you always err on the side of caution. CBS self censoring is basically the same thing. The Chinese government can then say "What censorship?" or "It's rare" and now the FCC can do the same. Playing whack-a-mole is not a good strategy for censorship. The chilling effect of self censorship is the winning strategy. | |
| ▲ | lawstkawz 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Nah the fault lies with the American public for talking the freedom/exceptionalism talk, social projection of grit and ruggedness while the reality is learned helplessness and codependency | | |
| ▲ | daseiner1 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | democracies past, present, and future inevitably crumble as the need to cater to the demos grows greater and greater with every generation of voters. i know this is a contrivance but nevertheless: we don't consult the entire hospital how to treat my heart condition yet we accept on face value that obeying the vagaries of the hoi polloi is the best way to decide who controls the levers of power in civil society. | | |
| ▲ | sapphicsnail 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Our country is being run by unaccountable elites and they're doing a terrible job. They're not catering to anyone other than their donors. | | |
| ▲ | lawstkawz 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Having grown up rural, fixing farm equipment, rebuilding cars, which propelled me towards a degree in electrical engineering (and after that an MSc in math), my colleagues the last 20 years have watched a lot of TV and played all the video games but can barely bake a potato. "Unaccountable elites" are enabled by know-nothings in corporate management, software engineering teams, accounting, HR "just following orders". The lack of muscle memory to be self sufficient keeps people in their lane and unable to look away, fix their own stuff, make their own stuff. When labor knows nothing but just following orders leadership is empowered to build and fill gulags; what are the people going to do? Resist en masse? Not when they are addicted to GrubHub delivery of Subway. |
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| ▲ | benzible 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The chilling effect is the entire point. An FCC source literally told CNN, "the threat is the point." CBS isn't being randomly skittish. Paramount needs regulatory approval for its WBD acquisition, paid $16 million to settle a Trump lawsuit right before needing FCC approval for the Skydance merger, and canceled Colbert days after he criticized that deal. ABC suspended Kimmel after FCC threats. The FCC opened an investigation into The View just for having Talarico on. And yes, Larry Ellison is a hardcore Trump supporter, but even if he weren't, this is how every network is behaving. Disney's Bob Iger is a Democrat and ABC still paid Trump and suspended Kimmel. When the government holds regulatory leverage over your business, "obeying in advance" isn't cowardice you can blame on the network, it's the intended mechanism of state pressure. | | |
| ▲ | JuniperMesos 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | And this is a good thing, if you think that the billionaires running large businesses like CNN will generally act in their own selfish self-interest and that they need the government to hold regulatory leverage over their businesses in order to make them act in a socially-beneficial way. But then you have to trust the government that manages the regulatory agency to act in a socially-beneficial; and only at most half the US population does at any given time. | |
| ▲ | mindslight 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > "obeying in advance" isn't cowardice you can blame on the network, it's the intended mechanism of state pressure. No, there is no reason to absolve the agency of anybody with power (eg money and platform). The ownership class is kowtowing to Trump because they think regardless of whatever happens, they personally will be relatively fine as long as they go along. And they are probably right, even as Trump leads our country off a cliff. But that doesn't mean they get to escape judgement for being cowards. |
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| ▲ | goku12 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | This is arguably worse, isn't it? The administration gets to say that it was the network's own decision and that they had no role in it. Taking over news and public media with the help of oligarch buddies is much more effect than a public spat with them. | | |
| ▲ | Jordan-117 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's definitely worse, I'm just saying one shouldn't lay the blame entirely on the government here -- CBS is an eager partner in this, not a victim. | | |
| ▲ | Rapzid 16 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Sure but the government officials are our representatives so they hold special and unique responsibility for this situation. As for the corpos.. Cancelled Disney and Hulu when Kimmel was taken off. Maybe it's time to cancel Paramount+ too. |
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| ▲ | steve1977 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Normal authoritarian state behavior, no? |
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| ▲ | georgemcbay 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Normal authoritarian state behavior, no? Yes. And the most surprising thing about this particular story to me is that a lot of people (here in the comments) seem surprised about it. I don't mean to normalize this, because it isn't normal, but anyone surprised by this hasn't been paying attention over the past year+, this didn't arrive out of the blue. | | |
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| ▲ | claytongulick 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| My understanding (please correct me if it's incorrect) is that the "worst-case" scenario for a broadcaster is that they may have to upload a record of political air time to a public file. If an opposing candidate sees this, they can then request equal air time from that broadcaster. The rule is in place so that one party or viewpoint can't dominate broadcast media. That's a good thing right? The rule change here is that traditionally "bona fide" news programs have been, by default, issued an exception to the rule. That has spawned a bunch of "pseudo-news" shows that have also been claiming this exception. Here, the FCC is now saying "hey, you don't just automatically get granted an exception to the rule and get to call yourself a bona fide news program if you're not actually one"". That seems completely reasonable to me. Broadcast media is held to this FCC standard because they are granted a monopoly for a broadcast spectrum, and it isn't physically possible for a competitor to broadcast on the same spectrum. Streaming etc... doesn't need to follow these rules. I do think it's wrong that talk radio doesn't seem to be held to the same standard, though. |
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| ▲ | vharuck 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The worst case scenario now is not limited by process and law. Compliance with politics is taken into consideration for all government business. For examples, see the executive orders blacklisting specific law firms, the withholding of funds to states or areas that vote Democratic, and the threat of investigation into a network after a host said something the President didn't like. | |
| ▲ | patmorgan23 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Up until this month, talk show interviews were exempt from the equal time rule. |
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| ▲ | devmor 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This is a terrifying level of chilling effects. What are we to consider about our nation at this point? "Free speech" has long been a term with contested definitions, but this certainly sounds like its death in every sense. |
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| ▲ | goku12 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The shift from democracy to dictatorship isn't a cliff that a lot of people imagine it to be. It's a gradual slide with no abrupt changes in between. If you're waiting for a signal, you'll get it at the bottom of the ramp. | | |
| ▲ | Rapzid 10 minutes ago | parent [-] | | When does a pile become a heap? When they come for YOU. Seriously this is why people use to take every government transgression and overreach so seriously. Now multiple times a day it's something that would have been a straight SCANDAL in the past. It's happening right now y'all because it was always happening and will always happen without constant push back. Don't wait! |
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| ▲ | colechristensen 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Free speech goes as far as the people who defend it. CBS and its parent company are greedy cowards. If they won't defend free speech they're the ones causing its downfall. Governments rule only with the consent of the people. If you lay down and give away your freedoms you aren't the victim, you're the perpetrator. | | |
| ▲ | croes 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Victim blaming? Greedy for trying to stay in business. If you didn’t fight hard enough it’s your fault? You let the government of the hook to easily. By your logic you‘re a perpetrator too because he don’t blame the real bad guy | | |
| ▲ | hackyhacky 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Greedy for trying to stay in business. If CBS were headed by someone with gumption and less willingness to kowtow to the government, they could resist this pressure and still be fine. Worst case scenario, a merger would get rejected and they would be targeted by some spurious lawsuits. Going out of business is not a realistic risk. What is a risk, however, is non-optimal shareholder value. We live in a world where the stock price is more important than anything else, including doing the right thing. | | |
| ▲ | thatnerdyguy 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > they could resist this pressure and still be fine Precisely. See also: TACO | |
| ▲ | johannes1234321 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | For CVS the stock price isn't the driver. It's owned to 77% by the Ellison family, who certainly want to make a buck, but also want political influence and control. | |
| ▲ | croes 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | There are lots of things that where unthinkable before Trump. But it seems this is just business between billionaire buddies |
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| ▲ | tclancy 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | How is CBS a victim here? They have shown by their actions (Bari Weiss, the 60 Minutes neutering, etc) they are fully backing what Larry Ellison and Sons want them to pump out. This isn't victim blaming, it's pointing out a complicit conspirator. | |
| ▲ | mikkupikku 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If you give in and comply without a fight, are you actually a victim or are you actually a collaborator? CBS is controlled by Ellison, which makes this look a lot like collaboration. | | |
| ▲ | croes 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | > If you give in and comply without a fight, are you actually a victim or are you actually a collaborator? That is victim blaming. Heard the same from judges about rape victims. > CBS is controlled by Ellison, which makes this look a lot like collaboration. That changes this completely.
That isn’t being a coward, that’s just good old quid pro quo from billionaire buddies. | | |
| ▲ | mikkupikku 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | We're not talking about rape, and you're begging the question. | |
| ▲ | QuercusMax 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | First off, corporations are not people, so your argument is insane from the beginning. Were the leaders of Vichy France victims? No, they were collaborators. |
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| ▲ | colechristensen 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yes. I'm blaming victims. If you're suffering from government oppression and you go home and cry instead of stand up for your rights, I'm blaming you for your oppression. You're only a victim if you die with your boots on, so to speak. | | |
| ▲ | croes 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | You can do that if you are responsible for yourself but there are lots of people with jobs behind that. It’s not on you to decide they have to die with you. But the fact that Trump buddy Ellison owns CBS takes that in a completely new direction. | | |
| ▲ | colechristensen 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'm not engaging with someone arguing the point of appeasing, bootlicking cowards. | | |
| ▲ | croes 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Can’t decide, is this a strawman or ad hominem. Beside this case I guess you never where responsible for hundreds of peoples lives. Or maybe talk to some mothers and fathers what they endure to protect their families what you would call appeasement. |
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| ▲ | whattheheckheck 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | So it didn't air because? What evidence do we have? Gosh maybe the sun won't rise tomorrow because w have evidence of it rising tomorrow we just can't know. Unbelievable how dark your soul is for posting that comment with all of the context available to you to estimate the probability of truth. |
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| ▲ | DeepYogurt 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | How does that matter? | | |
| ▲ | toraway 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Per another of OP's comments in this thread, they seem to suggest that CBS (of all organizations) is actually trying to help a Democrat with better chances in the general to defeat a Republican. So, therefore, they artificially manufactured a Streisand Effect stunt by killing the interview. Because that's somehow a more parsimonious explanation than the clear pattern of Brendan Carr's statements and actions using the FCC to accomplish the political goals of the administration. | |
| ▲ | CGMthrowaway 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | ishouldstayaway 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | And you're accusing us of jumping to conclusions without evidence? Get a grip here dude. | | |
| ▲ | CGMthrowaway 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I didnt jump to any conclusions about the motive behind Colbert's statements. I presented possibilities, very clearly and explicitly labeling them "alternative" and "unlikely". And the idea that all press is good press is not too controversial either |
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| ▲ | mikkupikku 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | That's fine context, but doesn't make any of this less insane. |
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