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colechristensen 4 hours ago

Free speech goes as far as the people who defend it.

CBS and its parent company are greedy cowards. If they won't defend free speech they're the ones causing its downfall.

Governments rule only with the consent of the people.

If you lay down and give away your freedoms you aren't the victim, you're the perpetrator.

croes 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Victim blaming?

Greedy for trying to stay in business.

If you didn’t fight hard enough it’s your fault?

You let the government of the hook to easily.

By your logic you‘re a perpetrator too because he don’t blame the real bad guy

hackyhacky 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Greedy for trying to stay in business.

If CBS were headed by someone with gumption and less willingness to kowtow to the government, they could resist this pressure and still be fine. Worst case scenario, a merger would get rejected and they would be targeted by some spurious lawsuits. Going out of business is not a realistic risk.

What is a risk, however, is non-optimal shareholder value. We live in a world where the stock price is more important than anything else, including doing the right thing.

thatnerdyguy 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> they could resist this pressure and still be fine

Precisely. See also: TACO

johannes1234321 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For CVS the stock price isn't the driver. It's owned to 77% by the Ellison family, who certainly want to make a buck, but also want political influence and control.

croes 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

There are lots of things that where unthinkable before Trump.

But it seems this is just business between billionaire buddies

tclancy 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How is CBS a victim here? They have shown by their actions (Bari Weiss, the 60 Minutes neutering, etc) they are fully backing what Larry Ellison and Sons want them to pump out. This isn't victim blaming, it's pointing out a complicit conspirator.

mikkupikku 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If you give in and comply without a fight, are you actually a victim or are you actually a collaborator? CBS is controlled by Ellison, which makes this look a lot like collaboration.

croes 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> If you give in and comply without a fight, are you actually a victim or are you actually a collaborator?

That is victim blaming. Heard the same from judges about rape victims.

> CBS is controlled by Ellison, which makes this look a lot like collaboration.

That changes this completely. That isn’t being a coward, that’s just good old quid pro quo from billionaire buddies.

mikkupikku 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

We're not talking about rape, and you're begging the question.

QuercusMax 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

First off, corporations are not people, so your argument is insane from the beginning.

Were the leaders of Vichy France victims? No, they were collaborators.

colechristensen 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes.

I'm blaming victims.

If you're suffering from government oppression and you go home and cry instead of stand up for your rights, I'm blaming you for your oppression.

You're only a victim if you die with your boots on, so to speak.

croes 3 hours ago | parent [-]

You can do that if you are responsible for yourself but there are lots of people with jobs behind that.

It’s not on you to decide they have to die with you.

But the fact that Trump buddy Ellison owns CBS takes that in a completely new direction.

colechristensen 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm not engaging with someone arguing the point of appeasing, bootlicking cowards.

croes 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Can’t decide, is this a strawman or ad hominem.

Beside this case I guess you never where responsible for hundreds of peoples lives.

Or maybe talk to some mothers and fathers what they endure to protect their families what you would call appeasement.