| ▲ | suzzer99 11 hours ago |
| As long as the owner class can leverage, "Hey, that {out group} is sitting around doing nothing and getting free money!" we'll never have anything close to UBI imo. |
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| ▲ | gruez 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Seems pretty easy to work around with "UBI for citizens" only. There's not much pushback for social security, for instance, even if minorities get it. |
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| ▲ | hinkley 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I still like the idea of clawing back mineral and water rights and paying for basic services out of the money payed by industry for the right to dirty our air and water. As a citizen you're entitled to compensation for the smoke you're breathing. People talk about how socially progressive Scandinavia is but they have a shitload of petroleum resources and that money goes into social programs. | | |
| ▲ | ryandrake 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I'd love to make companies pay for their products' entire lifecycle, including disposal and cleanup. It's not right that a company can manufacture future-trash, sell it, and then absolve itself of the negative externality when the customer throws the product away and off it goes into a landfill. If a company's process produces waste, it should bear the entire cost of leaving the environment the way they found it rather than just pumping the waste into it. If a company's products are not reused, it should bear the cost of taking the used product back and restoring the world to the way it was before the product was built. | | |
| ▲ | everett_w 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | this reminds me of retropunk and the hundred rabbits | |
| ▲ | socalgal2 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yep, we should charge every farm for all the poop that people that eat their food make |
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| ▲ | throw-qqqqq 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > People talk about how socially progressive Scandinavia is but they have a shitload of petroleum resources and that money goes into social programs Of all the Scandinavian countries, only Norway has any oil resources of significance. The Scandinavian welfare model is primarily tax-funded. | | |
| ▲ | hinkley 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | My quick look at Swedish exports shows that the largest export is finished equipment at 14%, fuel exports at 7.1, 4.8% wood and paper, 3.6% iron and steel, of which I'm sure a lot of that equipment is made. 3.4% plastics, which is just oil in another form. It looks like you're right and their oil exports are all import/export rather than domestic, but that's still a good bit of mineral wealth. |
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| ▲ | Arainach 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | There's been enormous pushback, pushes for privatizing (ruining) it, underfunding it from Congress, an absolute refusal to remove the criminally low income cap on contributions, etc. | | |
| ▲ | zrail 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | One could make the argument that the modern Republican Party has in fact largely been shaped by this pushback. |
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| ▲ | shigawire 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >There's not much pushback for social security, for instance, even if minorities get it. The racist moral panic over "welfare queens" seems to be a counter example. | | |
| ▲ | tshaddox 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | And the same person who posts about that on Facebook will the next day post “keep your government hands off my social security check.” |
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| ▲ | whattheheckheck 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | And why do citizens get it? USA killed a lot of the world for their wealth and kneecapped anyone who didn't play along | |
| ▲ | Der_Einzige 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | A lot of conservatives want to retroactively throw off non whites from citizenship because they think birthrate citizenship is disgusting. Expect a real movement to reduce the number of citizens in this country. Specifically, if you can’t trace your lineage to a founding father (including for kids of Geman or iish immigrants), than they want you disenfranchised. Heritage Americans vs “hyphenated Americans” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyphenated_American |
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| ▲ | fragmede 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Kick me out of communism club if you have to, but I ain't giving people something for nothing. I think everybody should have a roof over their head and food in their bellies, but there's so much stuff to do these days. Go plant a tree or, anything! |
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| ▲ | flanked-evergl 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You know. I have worked for almost two decades now, I can't afford to buy an apartment. People who have been useless their entire lives are getting government loans that they then pay off with welfare they get because they are doing nothing. I'm not the ownership class, this is unfair. You are the ownership class. People with money or who grew up with money are overwhelmingly left leaning. |
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| ▲ | atlintots 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You can't afford an apartment because the ownership class is working very hard to keep housing prices high while paying you as little as possible for the two decades you have been working. Not because some disabled person elsewhere is struggling to get by on government loans and welfare. | | |
| ▲ | flanked-evergl 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The people keeping housing prices high are the leftist that push regulations that make it impossible to build while importing immigrants who disproportionately use welfare and get starter loans which they then use to push up housing prices without contributing anything to the economy. If this is the "ownership class" I guess stop voting for leftist. But nobody does, they just keep doing it, and housing becomes even more unaffordable. The right wing here are the only people where I live with an actual viable plan for helping working people, even low class working people. The left makes deliberate choices that everyone knows will make things worse for lower class working people. | | |
| ▲ | matwood 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | This sounds like a Fox News fever dream. Even if we assume there are tons of jobless immigrants being ‘imported’ they would be renters, not buyers. Generally, house pricing is primarily a supply problem. Removing immigrants will make this worse given that they are 30%+ of the construction workforce. | | |
| ▲ | flanked-evergl an hour ago | parent [-] | | 75% of welfare is going to immigrants, they get much easier access to government zero deposit loans even while not working, and then they pay off those loans with welfare. Sorry no fox news, just facts. Immigrants are also overwhelming much more of a burden to society and the state, they are over represented in crime sadistically and take much more from the state that they contribute. Suggesting that we would have no construction if we did not import criminal tax leeches seems like an evidence free statement. |
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| ▲ | socalgal2 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The ownership class is doing no such thing. Zoning, regulation, nimby-ism are what keep prices high. | | |
| ▲ | matwood 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Zoning, regulation, nimby-ism And who exactly do you think controls these items? | | |
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| ▲ | zrail 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | (Citation needed) |
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| ▲ | tty456 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Such is the republican lizard brain these days. |