Seems pretty easy to work around with "UBI for citizens" only. There's not much pushback for social security, for instance, even if minorities get it.

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hinkley 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I still like the idea of clawing back mineral and water rights and paying for basic services out of the money payed by industry for the right to dirty our air and water. As a citizen you're entitled to compensation for the smoke you're breathing.

People talk about how socially progressive Scandinavia is but they have a shitload of petroleum resources and that money goes into social programs.

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ryandrake 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I'd love to make companies pay for their products' entire lifecycle, including disposal and cleanup. It's not right that a company can manufacture future-trash, sell it, and then absolve itself of the negative externality when the customer throws the product away and off it goes into a landfill.

If a company's process produces waste, it should bear the entire cost of leaving the environment the way they found it rather than just pumping the waste into it. If a company's products are not reused, it should bear the cost of taking the used product back and restoring the world to the way it was before the product was built.

	▲	everett_w 7 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		this reminds me of retropunk and the hundred rabbits
	▲	socalgal2 3 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Yep, we should charge every farm for all the poop that people that eat their food make

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throw-qqqqq 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> People talk about how socially progressive Scandinavia is but they have a shitload of petroleum resources and that money goes into social programs

Of all the Scandinavian countries, only Norway has any oil resources of significance.

The Scandinavian welfare model is primarily tax-funded.

	▲	hinkley 8 hours ago \| parent [-]
		My quick look at Swedish exports shows that the largest export is finished equipment at 14%, fuel exports at 7.1, 4.8% wood and paper, 3.6% iron and steel, of which I'm sure a lot of that equipment is made. 3.4% plastics, which is just oil in another form. It looks like you're right and their oil exports are all import/export rather than domestic, but that's still a good bit of mineral wealth.

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Arainach 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There's been enormous pushback, pushes for privatizing (ruining) it, underfunding it from Congress, an absolute refusal to remove the criminally low income cap on contributions, etc.

	▲	zrail 9 hours ago \| parent [-]
		One could make the argument that the modern Republican Party has in fact largely been shaped by this pushback.

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shigawire 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>There's not much pushback for social security, for instance, even if minorities get it.

The racist moral panic over "welfare queens" seems to be a counter example.

	▲	tshaddox 9 hours ago \| parent [-]
		And the same person who posts about that on Facebook will the next day post “keep your government hands off my social security check.”

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whattheheckheck 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And why do citizens get it? USA killed a lot of the world for their wealth and kneecapped anyone who didn't play along

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Der_Einzige 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

A lot of conservatives want to retroactively throw off non whites from citizenship because they think birthrate citizenship is disgusting.

Expect a real movement to reduce the number of citizens in this country. Specifically, if you can’t trace your lineage to a founding father (including for kids of Geman or iish immigrants), than they want you disenfranchised.

Heritage Americans vs “hyphenated Americans”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyphenated_American