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shimman 4 hours ago

Oxide is the only company where I check the careers page hoping that they have a position which I can apply to.

Happy to see their success. Especially so if you've been following their journey through their podcasts (easily the best tech podcast out there if you care about your craft; no filler, all killer).

999900000999 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I actually did apply, The mere application takes hours upon hours, and for what a generic rejection email.

This isn't the worst though, I recently went through an interview with another startup company, and after six interviews and a take-home project I found myself getting the same generic rejection. The CEO went out of his way to tell me he didn't like my resume since I've had to hop around a little bit to stay employed.

Concerns that should have been handled in the initial call, somehow get pushed back till after I've wasted monumental amount of time.

Things are looking up though, I'm starting a job soon and the entire interview process was more or less a 30 minute phone call with the technical manager. That's it, two days later or so I had a verbal offer. I don't need to change the world, I need to pay my rent.

pfraze 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If you went through multiple rounds it likely means they were seriously considering you but ultimately they didn’t get to a yes. If it’s any comfort that means you did pretty well.

The short stints on a resume is likely not the only reason you didn’t get to 100%, but unfortunately you should know that it’s seen as a pretty bad signal. The general expectation is 2 years minimum at a gig. If you have multiple short non-contract jobs it raises the concern that a candidate doesn’t commit to their jobs, or that they don’t do well at their jobs and are getting let go.

999900000999 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Okay, but if my resume is a concern let's talk about in the first interview. I can't exactly rest and vest for 2 years when the company is running out of money. I had the bad luck of this happening 3 times in a row.

Company A got their funding pulled and shut down. Company B, where I was actually at for about a year and a half, switched owners and shutdown my entire office. Company C merged into it's main competitor and effectively fired most of us.

I will admit I was at one fantastic job and after around 3 years I probably could of stayed indefinitely. But back then I didn't recognize the value of a solid job. If you land somewhere and you're well liked by people, and able to do quality work, you really should just stay there instead of chasing slightly more money.

Pet_Ant 14 minutes ago | parent [-]

After my dates of employment I will parethetically add (bankrupt) or (shutdown) to indicate that it wasn't related to me personally. My best job was 18 months.

woooooo 40 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If they heard from the CEO specifically, it was probably based on the CEO vibe checking the resume as a last step after passing the entire interview process. The CEO may have spent 15 minutes on it.

warunsl 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> If you went through multiple rounds it likely means they were seriously considering you but ultimately they didn’t get to a yes.

Sure, but one would think then the rejection email would have specifics around the interview and where the candidate did not perform well. Not nit picking on the job hops. If job hops were a deal breaker then why waste the candidate's time putting them through full rounds of interviews?

swyx an hour ago | parent | next [-]

if you were an experienced/mature tech employee you should probably know that there are real HR reasons why companies are strongly advised not to give too much information in a rejection email. there is only ever downside. your reaction here is a potential red flag.

i'm sympathetic to you, it sucks, why cant we all be nice to each other, and my answer to that all is lawyers.

HalcyonicStorm 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It could also be that they might be sued for stating the real reason so they went with something that would be dismissed if it went to court.

direwolf20 2 hours ago | parent [-]

This is the reason. If they make any statement you could contest it in court, so they don't make any statement

jagged-chisel 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> … specifics around the interview and where the candidate did not perform well …

Takes time away from the day job and other candidates.

grim_io 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You're not changing the world either way, you would just be working for a more demanding guy. Fuck em.

999900000999 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

This is my favorite response in the thread. We aren't talking about getting a job at doctors across borders or something, we just want to manipulate bits of silicon to increase our networth.

webdevver 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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sevensor 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A generic rejection is more than I got for feedback; I never heard back. Still, I thought the process of writing the materials was great. I don’t usually take the time to think about the arc of my experience in a holistic way. Do it for yourself if you do it at all; don’t go into it with high expectations for feedback and you won’t be disappointed.

mlacks 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I just reached out to them after the 4 to six weeks had passed. got my decision a few days later

sevensor an hour ago | parent [-]

Yeah. I tried that at the eight week mark, but I heard nothing back. Obviously not a process-heavy company, but that’s part of their appeal.

zeroonetwothree an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Usually the stated reason is not actually the real reason. They just state something generic that isn’t illegal to admit.

The real reason might be “they didn’t like your vibes” or something like that

loeg an hour ago | parent [-]

Vibes aren't a protected category.

nerdsniper an hour ago | parent [-]

They aren't explicitly, but, if you ever find yourself in a position where you're part of the hiring decision, it's best to categorize vibes as protected for anything written or otherwise recorded.

SCOTUS has found non-protected categories can still be protected because they are "proxies" for protected categories. One of the classic examples of this are zip codes[0], which was found to be a proxy for race, because it has a "disparate impact" on people of particular races.

For some people, the 'wrong vibes' are often proxies for cultural things - all kinds of body language contribute to vibes and it's easy to accidentally (or on purpose...) discriminate against a whole categories based on vibes. If you tell a candidate "Hey we just didn't like your vibes as much as this other guy", it could affect your exposure to claims that you discriminated against them based on their race.

0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Department_of_Housing_an....

skissane 23 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> SCOTUS has found non-protected categories can still be protected because they are "proxies" for protected categories. One of the classic examples of this are zip codes[0], which was found to be a proxy for race, because it has a "disparate impact" on people of particular races.

I realise it may be somewhat beside your point, but that was a Kennedy+liberals vs conservatives ruling in 2015 - so the current SCOTUS would likely have ruled the other way, and decent odds they overrule it sooner or later. Scalia’s dissent was objecting to the entire idea of disparate impact analysis under the Fair Housing Act, so more likely that gets overruled than this specific application of that idea.

This was a statutory interpretation case though, so if SCOTUS overturns the decision, Congress could reverse that with ordinary legislation, no constitutional amendment required. But who knows whether that will turn out to be politically feasible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Department_of_Housing_an...

(Also, you need to change the last period in the URL to %2E to stop HN from mangling it.)

zozbot234 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Do "vibes" really matter all that much when you're going to be working 100% remotely? Maybe we should be moving to fully blind auditions for such jobs, where the interview might still be proctored in some way to prevent outright cheating, but the people who make the hiring decision aren't even put in a position where they might "vibe" with the candidate.

mynameisvlad an hour ago | parent [-]

I mean, yes. You’re still working with them even if it’s behind a computer screen.

robinhood 41 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

So basically you wanted to have it easy - joining a company with a certain prestige and be over the recruitment process in 30 minutes or less.

gedy 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Concerns that should have been handled in the initial call, somehow get pushed back till after I've wasted monumental amount of time.

Honestly these "reasons" they give are usually BS excuses when it basically amounts to they don't like your personality or looks.

999900000999 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Did I mention no one told me what the compensation package was at any point during the process.

It's a contractor life for me, I work for money, not "purpose" or anything else.

Hell my Facebook (technically a fully owned subsidiary to be fair) interview loop was easier. I didn't get the job that time either, but at least it was straight up.

Aurornis 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> Did I mention no one told me what the compensation package was at any point during the process.

In previous HN threads they said something to the effect that they expect their applicants to have read what’s online about their equal base salary. Equity is not equally applied though.

999900000999 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm not talking about Oxide here, this was a different company.

ghaff an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Eh. I've been on a bunch of hiring committees. It hasn't been personality or looks. But a combination of things that we probably didn't all agree on and that may not have been able to fully articulate in a short message.

pengaru 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Don't underestimate the importance of timing, for both the company you're applying at and the industry/economy as a whole.

As they say, you can't get blood from a turnip.

Writing this comment reminded me of a personal experience, story time:

Many moons ago I interviewed at a mature startup in silicon valley, they shipped a tiered storage appliance and were in the process of pivoting to a new storage medium (think transitioning from spinning rust to SSDs, something like that).

This was in-person, and everything went swimmingly well, before departing they stated an intention to make an offer and I should expect an email w/offer attached within a week. I got an offer letter, and accepted immediately, as I was super excited about the stack I'd be playing with.

A week before the start date I get a call from a founder, they said I couldn't start because their funding round didn't come through. The economy was going through some sort of financial crisis and it was one of the many blood baths where silicon valley startups shuttered by the hundreds overnight. So in essence, this was a job I got fired from before I could even start, wee!

What followed was a pretty frustrating few months of interviewing and not getting anywhere.

But there is a silver lining to this story, that founder who called me sat on the board of other storage startups. One of them managed to get some water in this funding desert, and its founders reached out to me at his recommendation. I ended up building some great stuff over 4-5 years at that company.

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jjice 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Oxide and Friends is the only computing podcast I listen to anymore. It's a bunch of fun and they have insights I actually value.

The original On The Metal podcast they did is incredible too. The interviews they had with computing legends are just fantastic.

muvlon 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I used to enjoy it much more before it became just another podcast extoiling the virtues of AI-assisted coding. I have too many of those already.

jcgrillo 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I appreciate their treatment of the current AI boom cycle. Just last night they had Evan Ratliff on from the Shell Game podcast[1], and it was a great episode. They're not breathlessly hyping AI and trying to make a quick buck off it, instead it seems they're taking an honest, rigorous look at it (which is sadly pretty rare) and talking about the successes as well as the failures. Personally I don't always agree with their takes, I'm more firmly in Ed Zitron's camp that this is all a massive financial scam, isn't really good for much, and will do a lot more harm than good in the long run. They're less negatively biased than that, which is fine.

[1] https://www.shellgame.co/

newsclues 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I love the new podcast but miss on the metal so much. It should be quarterly at least

patkai 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Same here. As a teenager I dreamt about working for SUN. Oxide comes close in a way.

pjmlp 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I already know it is out of my league, however the podcast is great to listen to.

moregrist 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I really tried to like the podcast. It’s been a few years, so maybe it’s improved.

The topics were good. The guests were great.

But Bryan Cantrill was just terrible at letting his guests actually talk.

Bryan, if you’re listening, please let your guests talk. We have a large amount of content on YouTube if we want to hear the Bryan Cantrill take on, well, anything and everything. And it’s often amusing and sometimes right.

People don’t tune in to a podcast with guests to hear the host pontificate. They tune in to hear the guest, and sometimes the guest/host dynamic. When the host talks over the guest, you don’t get either.

After the Jonathon Blow episode, I gave up. Dude had interesting things to say about C, C++, and Rust, but most of what we got was Bryan talking about Rust. I guarantee anyone tuning into the Oxide podcast knows Bryan Cantrill’s opinions about Rust. And firmware. And Oracle. And Linux. Etc. etc.

Let your guests talk.

bcantrill 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Well, a couple of things. First, the Jonathan Blow episode[0] was over six years ago. Second, it was nearly a three hour conversation -- I don't think I can be accused of not letting him talk? Third, I definitely remember that I felt I had to interrupt him to move the conversation along. Fourth, I had to pee really badly, I was absolutely freezing, and I was quite concerned about missing my flight to New Zealand that evening with my family for Christmas (which I damned near did) -- and I have no doubt that I was not at my best!

I do try to get better at this stuff, and I re-listen to our episodes to improve as an interviewer. If it's been "a few years", maybe you haven't listen too much to Oxide and Friends? I think we've had some wonderful guests and great conversations over the span of the podcast -- though I also have no doubt that it's imperfect, for which you have my profound apologies!

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkdpLSXUXHY

moregrist 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I appreciate the reply and that it's been a while; I will give your podcast another listen.

It wasn't just the Jonathon Blow episode; that was just the point where I said "this is frustrating." For what it's worth, frustration came from knowing that this could be really good: your perspective is valuable, your topics were interesting, and your guests were excellent.

I find this a common mistake that people with strong opinions have when doing interview/guest style podcasts or shows. There's really an art to it; it's not easy to engage guests, keep the show interesting, and let the talk move in interesting ways. That's why Terry Gross and Howard Stern, in very different ways, have had such long and storied careers.

But it's something that people definitely get better at, and I have no doubt that you have. Again, I'll give it another listen.

bcantrill an hour ago | parent [-]

Is this only based on On the Metal? (If so, those are all from six years ago -- even the ones that were released a mere five years ago.) Please do check out Oxide and Friends[0] -- and feedback always welcome!

[0] https://oxide-and-friends.transistor.fm/

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tverbeure 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

And lawnmowers.

agentultra 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I applied last year. But they had too many candidates apply to consider my application.

This is good news for them. I expect there will be more competition for positions there should any open up.

ilogik 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

+1 for the podcast.

I would try to apply but as far as I know they require 4 hours overlap with PST which excludes Europe

dcre 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It doesn’t strictly exclude Europe, we have a few employees in Europe. But as the other reply says, they work slightly odd hours.

embedding-shape 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> I would try to apply but as far as I know they require 4 hours overlap with PST which excludes Europe

Wouldn't that depend less on where you are and more about your sleeping schedule? I generally go to bed around 04:00Z, up around 11:30Z sometime, seems that would work regardless of location, no?

AlejandroM_E 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Unless the position *strictly* requires the overlap (e.g. Manufacturing or Program Management), you can apply. The required overlap is the expected team commitment you should abide to, the logistics are up to you to make it work. If that sounds encouraging, please apply!

embedding-shape 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm happily voluntarily unemployed, but happy to hear my reasoning was accurate regardless, cheers and good luck :)

ilogik 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If I were in college, that would make sense, but I like to spend evenings with my family.

embedding-shape 3 hours ago | parent [-]

You just need to find the right family it sounds like ;) We both have the same sleeping schedule so works out for us, and we hang out more than ever. But YMMV.

bflesch 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Can you name some people who are working there and who you look up to? I need some new idols after the old idols all went up in MAGA and Epstein files .

shimman 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Well one, don't look up to people you personally don't know. Parasocial relationships are not healthy. Look into your local community for people to be mentors or help you.

That said I like Bryan Cantrill as an engineer and leader, but I would never put him on a pedestal.

oconnor663 3 hours ago | parent [-]

On the other hand, it's normal to have heroes, and to need to have them.

Eldt 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Heroes like Spiderman and Batman? Or strangers that put on a mask, and whose public image is maintained by PR firms?

kortilla an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Not really, that’s what leads to parasocial relationships.

Nobody is flawless and part of becoming an adult is learning to admire specific qualities rather than obsess over individuals.

surajrmal 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's best to avoid idolizing folks. It can give you a skewed set of expectations and lead you to resent them when inevitably they cannot live up those those expectations (which is unfair to them), and possibly lower your own self esteem if you cannot meet those same standards yourself.

embedding-shape 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Tip that will work forever, even when the ones you replace your old idols with get replaced: Don't have any idols.

Listen to the words, don't follow "personalities", don't listen to specific individuals just because of their status. Not a single time have I been disappointed by an idol, because I've made the conscious choice of not having following any. Bunch of smart people say smart stuff all the time, until they don't. I read everything as if I don't know the author, I think more people should do this and less celebrity worship would make the entire ecosystem better. We need less of it, not more.

dylanowen 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I've seen Bryan Cantrill present at a few conferences and his talks are always the best.

throw0101a 3 hours ago | parent [-]

A recent one (2025q4) he gave at Jane Street, "Andreessen’s Folly - The False Dichotomy of Software and Hardware":

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0JjG0Qfwi8

Graziano_M 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Is Jessie Frazelle still there? She is very impressive.

robszumski 4 hours ago | parent [-]

no, but still being super impressive. CEO of a company rebuilding a CAD rendering engine because they put an LLM on top of it. So you describe the mechanical specs of the part you want and it models it. Takes all the tedium out of modeling stuff. Super cool and many applications.

pcl 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Oh cool! That looks like a super interesting product.

https://zoo.dev

panick21_ 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They had to do CAD while working on Oxide and realized that it sucked. So she went off to solve that.

throwaw12 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Bryan Cantrill