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icelancer 7 hours ago

Yeah, Notepad++ is known for political messaging in their updates. Taiwan, Ukraine, etc.

lobito25 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Probably the real motive.

chvid 5 hours ago | parent [-]

“ The incident began from June 2025. Multiple independaent security researchers have assessed that the threat acotor is likely a Chinese state-sponsored group, which would explain the highly selective targeting obseved during the campaign.”

How do they know it was a Chinese group or even a state sponsored one?

rightbyte 13 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

When you want to spread jingoist paranoia you can just make stuff up and claim any critique is from said actors.

cwnyth 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They said "likely", so they don't "know." Yours is the wrong question.

tbrownaw 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Perhaps it's "...because that would explain..."?

uhx 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

By analyzing payloads / C2 address, etc...

somenameforme 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Yeah because a state level actor would be completely incapable of false attribution.

LoganDark 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I can't help but feel there must some better venue for such messaging.

When I see politics in software updates or documentation, nothing happens because I'm not looking to use the software for political activism. Maybe I tell my adblocker to remove the messaging, and carry on with my task.

I can engage with politics in a social context, when political messaging isn't interrupting something else I'm doing; that's a better place for activism, IMHO.

I almost always see activists using the argument that if I don't like the messaging then I'm part of the problem. Somehow I doubt that, given I don't mind messaging at all, where it's appropriate.

ryandrake 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Similar comments also come up in the [now regular] "I don't want to see political articles on HN" threads, and I think the response is similar: Asking for "no politics" is itself a strong political view: One in support/service of whatever the current status quo is. Trying to set oneself apart from (or above) politics is itself political. If you're lucky enough to be one of the fortunate people on earth who are not under attack by political forces or who benefit from status quo politics, I'd encourage you to simply reflect on that good luck and try to ignore the "politics" that others are deeply affected by and care about.

esperent 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I partially agree, but as a non-US user of the English speaking internet, the issue is with specifically US politics and social issues being everywhere. It drowns out all attempts at discourse for anything else, and Americans, including people here, seem uniquely incapable of nuance in their thinking when it comes to politics.

So, while I fully agree with your stance that banning political discourse is support for the status quo, I also think that it's reasonable to ask for it to be toned down a bit, especially when the politics and social issues of one country is basically drowning out everything else.

All that said, I'm talking mostly about HN or other community forums here. The owner of Notepad++ has the right to put whatever they want into their software, and if we're discussing that here on HN then it's an occasion where discussing politics is valid.

devkit1 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I am an American and I make a very conscious effort to appreciate social and political nuances. And I go out of my way to point out nuances to others who, in my opinion, oversimplify their statements. It could be argued that the expression of stereotyping Americans as lacking nuance, itself lacks nuance. I believe really most people are similar in that we have our biases, differences in context and experiences. We can all try our best to be as nuanced as possible.

esperent 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I would say it's statistics, rather than stereotyping. I'm glad you're capable of nuance though, maybe you can teach that to some of your compatriots?

anticodon 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What really do Americans know about Ukraine or Taiwan? E.g. can even 1% of US population show Ukraine on the world map (without using Google Maps)? Could they do it before 2022? Before 2014? Do they know anything about Ukraine or Taiwan history? How many Americans know a single foreign language?

If tomorrow there would be a war or protests in, say, Burundi. Will Americans stay with Burundi or against it? Or with the country the media will tell them is "good" because their interests align with US interests?

I think answers to all these questions are obvious.

esperent 3 hours ago | parent [-]

To be fair, lack of knowledge of other countries is hardly uniquely American. As an Irish person travelling around the non western world, there's a lot of people who don't know that Ireland is a country separate to the UK, or even that it exists.

vjvjvjvjghv 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think that the stereotype of Americans lacking nuance around political issue is valid. Obviously, like all stereotypes, it’s not 100% true but Americans seem to feel obliged to pick one side of an issue, most of the time aligned with the worth of their choice, and then to view everything that’s happening through that lens.

Try to point out to a democrat that Trump is doing something right or to a Trump voter that Biden did something right. Most of them can’t accept that. The “other” side has to all bad. I don’t see this to such an extreme in other countries I know like Germany or Spain.

andyferris 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

My personal take is this is a consequence of the two-party system. In the US you can "identify" as a democrat or republican. Once you do that, you don't _have_ to think, you can let tribalism guide you.

If in another country I vote for these guys or sometimes those other guys, and once this little party that got a seat, but not really those ones, and I really hate these ones, then your "political identity" already has a lot of nuance. In Australia with preferencial voting, a single vote has a lot of naunce.

What can you get in America? Green Party supportors who "strategically" vote for a democrat? Not much else...

nottorp 2 hours ago | parent [-]

The other problem is the US has two parties: one center right (and i'm being generous with center) and another rabid right.

It has been like that since forever. They don't know how a left leaning party looks.

tjjuckson 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> to such an extreme in other countries I know like Germany

could you remind me what country is the afd based out of thnx

faust201 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You do prove the extreme polarized politics. For you it is AfD vs others.

In reality it is not. It is a spectrum of parties. People vote often for smaller parties in the state and larger ones in the national.

defrost 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Does the existence of an alt-right WannaBeNazi party in modern Germany preclude the existance of a spectrum of views within Germany and usher in an inability of a majority of Germans to express themselves with nuance though?

By all means make a considered and thoughtful point, please.

bsder 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> the issue is with specifically US politics and social issues being everywhere. It drowns out all attempts at discourse for anything else

Unfortunately, US politics also drives tech issues elsewhere like the EU. For example, local data control is a big thing that some of us have been screaming about forever but nobody paid attention to--until US politics made it a hot button issue.

And, to be honest, if the EU would get off its ass and at least try to foster some alternatives, even those of us in the US would benefit. EU alternatives would mean that people in the US could finally vote against the megajillionaires with their wallets.

> Americans, including people here, seem uniquely incapable of nuance in their thinking when it comes to politics.

Bullets and beatings don't leave much room for nuance regardless of country.

joe_mamba 5 minutes ago | parent [-]

>And, to be honest, if the EU would get off its ass and at least try to foster some alternatives, even those of us in the US would benefit.

What exactly do you want the EU, the Brussels based institution, to do here? Because AWS didn't come into existence because Uncles sam came in and twisted Bezo's hand telling him to invent a hyperscaler.

EU lack of alternatives is a consequence of the failure of its entrepreneurship and free market in the SW private sector, and nothing that EU institution, can do about it to magically fix this since the solution is not more regulatory interference form government institutions.

shiroiuma 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is a good point. What would people think if there was constant political discussion here about, for instance, South Sudan and things happening there now? I'm sure there's bad stuff going on there and it's unfortunately, but if we had constant references to and discussions about the internal politics of South Sudan, I think a lot of people would get annoyed about issues that don't affect them at all in their day-to-day lives, esp. when they're coming here for discussions about technically- and computer-related topics. That must be how it seems for American political discussions.

LoganDark 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Do you think it's socially acceptable to ignore everything that doesn't affect you personally? Many activists would certainly have you think otherwise. As far as I can tell, fighting that habit is a huge goal of activism.

appreciatorBus 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That may be a huge goal of activism, but activists do not get to control what other people want to do.

Activists wanting something is not synonymous with that thing being a good idea. It just means that someone wants something out of you could be good, could be very bad. No different than a sales person trying to get you to buy something.

moi2388 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes. Activists also don’t focus on all causes, not even most. They cherry pick whatever topic is hot in that moment. Sorry, I don’t care about that when I’m browsing something about software.

When I care about politics I’ll deal with actual politics. Reddit won’t change my mind nor the world.

user205738 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Do you think it's socially acceptable to ignore everything that doesn't affect you personally?

Yes, yes, and yes again.

> Many activists would certainly have you think otherwise. As far as I can tell, fighting that habit is a huge goal of activism.

That's their problem. As soon as you start contributing to them, you will not pursue your own goals, living your own life, but those imposed by activists or their supervisors.

It's convenient for them, you give them a political resource. But why do you need it?

FormerBandmate 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

A huge chunk of activism is pointless and annoying. Especially when every cause is lumped together into Activism (TM) and the Omnicause.

I don’t agree with them and I don’t think they should be in my software, or dealing with anything they don’t understand (for instance crime, homeless people, geopolitics, or really anything outside of overpriced vegan coffee shops). All they really do is end up getting Fox News people to vote for fascists like Trump out of spite

autoexec 4 hours ago | parent [-]

> A huge chunk of activism is pointless and annoying.

Activism can be annoying, but it's never pointless (not even when it fails to be effective).

> All they really do is end up getting Fox News people to vote for fascists like Trump out of spite

It wouldn't be worthwhile for activists to resign themselves to inaction out of fear of offending the "Fox news people". "Fox news people" are already more likely than not to vote for fascists like Trump, and they'll use any excuse/justification they're being fed including "I don't like the way the wrong people are using their freedom to protest the wrong things".

appreciatorBus 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

People on HN are happy to talk about the internal politics of distant nations, so long as the name of the distant nation is Israel or Palestine.

globalnode 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

best solution to this is a closing of borders and fragmentation of the internet to local regional segments. i know it sounds backwards but it seems thats where we're headed

appreciatorBus 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not wanting politics on HN, need not imply support of the status quo, or even a lack of interest in politics. It can simply be a different belief about the purpose of online forums.

I read about politics all day long in many different places. My belief that HN should be relatively free of such stories is not because I believe I can detach myself from politics, but because I believe topic based forums are more valuable and useful than “anything goes” forums.

getnormality 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Nah, it doesn't mean they support the status quo. It just means some political tactics are pointless, incompetent, and counterproductive.

Political opinions about how things should be don't automatically dictate the actions that should be taken in support of those opinions. I can be mad about a law or a court decision and still have the good sense to, for example, not throw red paint on a lawmaker or judge.

Some behaviors just aren't helpful, and neither being right nor being upset changes that.

da_chicken 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Maybe, but telling people who are speaking to their audience on the platforms that audience is voluntarily visiting that they need to shut up is even more pointless, incompetent, and counterproductive.

Notepad++ is free, open source software for which there are dozens of alternative packages of equivalent quality. The entire cost of using this software and benefiting from the work of the developer, is having to scroll past or close a few political opinions.

If the reaction, if someone vehemently dislikes this sort of thing, is to tell that developer to "just shut up and make your software" rather than to stop using that software? Then I think that's possibly the most entitled and hypocritical position that I think it's possible to have.

getnormality 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Notepad++ maintainers can do whatever they want. I don't care. I'm just taking apart this tedious, superficial, self-serving activist cliche about how not being an activist is supporting the status quo. Some people want change just as much as activists do, but they have different ideas about when and how it's helpful to be an activist.

ImPostingOnHN 5 hours ago | parent [-]

It's ok for you to have a different opinion. I'm sure both views are well reasoned. Neither one is "wrong".

viraptor 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> and still have the good sense to

The good sense is your judgement. At some point a real, direct, disruptive protest is going to be the right solution for a big enough group of people. Peaceful protests are just a "we're starting to get there" signal. It's not like politicians normally say "gee, lots of people don't like how I abuse power, I guess I'll stop now". It's all about being collectively upset enough about status quo.

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popalchemist 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It intrinsically does. Whatever stance changes nothing or prefers to change nothing is a vote for the status quo, by definition.

defrost 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Whatever stance changes nothing .. is a vote for the status quo, by definition.

As problematic as the assertion "by definition" is aside, it should be noted that endlessly commenting about politics on internet forums effectively changes nothing.

I've been kettled by mounted officers and hit by high pressure hoses on cold evenings, something that also rarely effects change .. but that's a least a fun night out with people and better than wasting bits on the intertubes.

popalchemist 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Whether it's a waste is not entirely up to you. There are plenty of people on this forum who are completely naive and live in a bubble. The chance that a comment they see her could make a lightbulb go off is non-zero.

But if I were a nihilist I might agree with you.

bigstrat2003 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

No, that isn't remotely true. It means that the alternative you offer isn't compelling, not that your interlocutor likes the status quo.

popalchemist 4 hours ago | parent [-]

We're talking about the effect of non-action. To not act against a status quo is to enable it. Your feelings don't matter in that equation.

p_ing 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Similar comments also come up in the [now regular] "I don't want to see political articles on HN" threads

In the context of forums, the political threads are generally /not interesting/[0]. Political threads often devolve; they bring nothing 'new' or 'fresh' to the table, and they lead absolutely no where. It's a fart-in-the-wind situation no matter what your position is. Leave that stuff on reddit where the rest of the farts-in-the-wind go to waste. It's like watching commentators on Fox News or CNN or <insert favorite cable TV show here>. They're a large waste of time and they're often geared towards re-enforcing your side, aka echo chamber.

Now, if a thread actually evolved into real measurable action, that might actually be interesting. But that's not what happens on these forums. There's probably very few of us that see some HN thread talking about something awful happening somewhere and they take direct action, such as petitioning their government, protesting, etc. It's probably happened once or twice, but most of the farts in those threads just hang around and stink up the place.

Please stop stinking up HN.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

mshroyer 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Asking for "no politics" is itself a strong political view

No, it explicitly is not, and this "deepity" doesn't change any rational analysis. The injection of politics into every aspect of society must and should be refused.

chii 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> One in support/service of whatever the current status quo is. Trying to set oneself apart from (or above) politics is itself political.

apparently, it's OK to have this stance of "if you're not with us, you're against us".

It's absolutely possible to not want political discussions in various places - it doesn't mean you support one or the other side. It simply means you don't want that discussion here. You could support the incumbents or not - not wanting the discussion does not imply support for the incumbents.

tjwebbnorfolk 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not wanting politics crammed into every nook and cranny of daily life is not a "political" view of one kind or another, it's a preference for how I want to consume information and interact with people.

There is such a thing as being able to act and think in ways that aren't political in nature. Maybe not for you, but it absolutely is possible.

anonymous908213 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Way to completely and totally miss the point. I don't actually think you could've missed the point any harder than you did.

Politics are quite literally life-or-death for many people. War is politics. Access to healthcare is politics. Economic policy that determines whether businesses and careers succeed or fail is politics. Freedom to say what you want, believe or not believe in whatever religion you want, and be who you are without being imprisoned is politics. The people who make the most noise about politics are the people who are literally dying for as long as the rest of society ignores their plight.

If this isn't the case for you, it's because you benefit from the status quo. It is the definition of privilege to be able to "ignore politics". That means you are currently benefitting from politics. Of course you don't want to hear about politics, politics are doing just fine for you. And the comment you were asking to was asking you to reflect on that: if the biggest problem gracing you is hearing other people make noise about circumstances, the least you could do is deal with it. Your problems are trivial if that is what gets you upset. Other people are complaining about things that affect the outcome of their lives and you're complaining about... having to hear it.

tjwebbnorfolk 4 hours ago | parent [-]

That you seem to believe politics exists to solve people's problems is probably the reason you feel it is so important. I'm sorry that you are so profoundly confused.

anonymous908213 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Oh, you're one of those bootstrappy libertarians, I'm taking it. Everything you've ever done is by your own two merits, right? Nevermind the fact that you take society's roads and use society's technology, which are the results of politics. You drink society's water and eat society's food, which are the results of politics. You enjoy the security of not being invaded by enemy tribes nor your neighbors, which are the results of politics. "Politics" is simply a word describing how humans act in groups. Given that how we act in groups determines the entirety of our lives, there is no separating anything from politics. You seem to have taken my comment as "the government is responsible for solving people's problems", but politics are just as much about dealing with the problems it creates. When politics are going well you can ignore it; when they are going poorly they can end your life so you make a lot of noise about it to get other people to try to care. In either case, though, your life is entirely the result of political forces unless you're living in the jungle completely detached from society.

tjwebbnorfolk 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I live in a society that feeds me and rewards me for work and does a whole host of other things for me. I am grateful for all of it. Many other people are not so well served by society. This is all true. None of that has anything to do with politics.

Politics is a game. It is played with one single objective: to make sure that the people with no political power remain fighting among themselves instead of fighting those with power. If you believe some favored political faction will solve these problems you mention, then it is you who is missing the entire point.

anonymous908213 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm taking you're from the US from the "either team" comment. That is a really elementary understanding of politics. Politics, again, is a word describing how humans behave in groups. Where are roads built? That's a political decision made by groups of humans reaching consensus. What is the budget for the local security force? That's a political decision made by groups of humans reaching consensus. How much money is going to be collected from everyone locally to pay for those roads and security? That's a political decision made by groups of humans reaching consensus. If you're even allowed to participate in the consensus process... that itself is politics! For most of recorded history, decisions were made by the consensus of clergy, nobility and royalty, who coerced the rest of society into supporting their consensus through organized violence. Are you allowed to own property? That is the result of your group reaching consensus saying you're allowed to.

> How the produce of society is distributed and how people are cared for has zero relevance to an article about hacking a text editor,

The article is political. People make noise about Taiwan because an invasion of Taiwan would kill many and oppress more, in other words because it, like all political matters, is something that determines the course of lives of millions. Even if they are not directly affected, noise about politics escalates as a mechanism for people to protect themselves. When you are at the wrong end of a group that outnumbers you trying to kill you, you will require the aid of others. But will others come to your aid if you were not willing to come to their aid? This is how the concept of a "conscience" and "empathy" evolved -- because they give an evolutionary advantage, of providing for your own survival by ensuring collective survival.

Edit: for posterity, the comment I was replying to mentioned a "belief in either team leading you to the promised land", which has been edited out.

tjwebbnorfolk 3 hours ago | parent [-]

You know what's even more important than politics? Water. That doesn't mean I need to read a prologue about water in every HN article reminding me that I require water to survive.

You seem very angry at a stranger on the internet. I think a break from thinking about everything through the lens of politics might be good for you.

anonymous908213 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> You know what's even more important than politics? Water.

Access to water is political. If you get water from the city, the building of infrastructure delivering water to your residence is political. Whether or not that water is polluted is political. If you get your water from a well on your own property, your ownership of that land is political. None of that is achieved without group consensus, and group consensus can take all of it away from you. You are able to ignore that fact because all of those political consensuses are currently going in your favor, but the same is not true for everyone, and when it isn't true for them, they can be predicted to make noise about not having access to water for obvious reasons. They will make noise about it everywhere they can because it will be more important than anything else to them, given that it will determine whether they live or die and they need to galvanize communal support in order to reverse their fortunes.

> You seem very angry at a stranger on the internet. I think a break from thinking about everything through the lens of politics might be good for you.

My previous comment was written entirely neutrally, so I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion. Incidentally, I happen to live in a prosperous and stable society that I have confidence will remain secure for decades to come, so I have the privilege to ignore politics at my leisure. I am grateful for that opportunity, but I also understand how much of a privilege it is that politics are going well and not actively creating problems for me, so when other people complain about political processes creating problems for them, like the threatened invasion of their country, I listen without complaining.

I took HN as a place for rational discussion, so I made an effort to communicate to you why politics are so important to many, but in the end it seems this discussion is fruitless. If there is any emotion I feel, it is that of disappointment for wasting my time trying to discuss things logically and rather than being met with any kind of reasoned rebuttal, I get a childish dismissal the likes of which I could've gotten on Reddit, which I stopped using for that very reason a decade ago.

miningape 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> You know what's even more important than politics? Water. That doesn't mean I need to read a prologue about water in every HN article reminding me that I require water to survive.

Ah but didn't you know, some activist professor with a stick up his ass once said "everything is water" - so even not wanting to talk about water is in fact your water privilege of not talking about water. /s

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illiac786 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Fully agree, it’s akin to atheists, they very often are convinced they are not religious. Agnostics are the unreligious ones. In fact, atheists are the most fanatical zealots in my friends circle.

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teo_zero 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Asking for "no politics" is itself a strong political view

If this is true, I'd like to know what a weak political view is instead!

eunos 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Asking for "no politics" is itself a strong political view

We are all Schmittian now

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stirfish 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sometimes when the politics deeply affects you, you just need a little break from it.

LoganDark 6 hours ago | parent [-]

You can't take a break from that. I have transgender friends who fear for their life every day. They don't know what is going to happen to their rights or their healthcare. I have diabetic friends who can't work and also fear for their life because losing Medicaid would mean they will stop being able to afford insulin and will die. This is what people mean when they talk about politics being important. It's not just things that don't affect you, which is what most people mean when they say they don't care about politics. As soon as something affects you, you will understand.

subsistence234 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

>You can't take a break from that.

Yes you can.

>I have transgender friends who fear for their life every day. [continues]

That's hysteria.

StefanBatory 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Who are you to decide that? Are you blind? Or do you just ignore what do you see? Do you not see the state propaganda against them if you're in America?

"Why those Jews in Germany in 1935 are so paranoid?"

jajuuka 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

And if all you do all day is worry about someone else's or your own problems and politics you will not survive. Everyone has problems. Every single person has an issue that could cause them to die or a political event that could cause them harm. Your friends are not special or unique. There are billions of people who don't know if they will have food for their next meal, don't have money to pay rent, struggle with an addiction, etc.

It's okay to watch a show about knights and demons and enjoy it. It's okay to use a piece of software that doesn't code every release as a protest against something. Instead of judging other people for not burning out, maybe take a break yourself. It's okay and normal.

LoganDark 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't care for the current status quo at all. The current administration has wrecked this country and completely compromised its position in the global economy potentially forever. But there is a time and a place for those arguments and activism, as well as the same for other parts of the world suffering from similar or worse issues. Like, I wouldn't be receptive to hearing about Ukraine every time I go to the grocery store. When I want to hear about it I go to the YouTube channels documenting it! They're very interesting, but I need to be in a space to receive it. Similarly there are places where I'm not specifically looking for it but where I'd be receptive because it's not immediately irrelevant to something I'm doing. Otherwise it is just noise. This is absolutely no statement about the status quo, but just how my brain works. It's also not a statement against activism in general, just about my personal opinion of it in certain places.

eloisius 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It’s all well and good for you if you want to be a consumer of political content when it suits you, but for a creator, the creation’s whole purpose may be a delivery mechanism for their message which may otherwise go unheard. Not saying this is necessarily what Don Ho (Notepad++) is doing, but it’s possible. Create something so good that people can’t help but use it (preferably the demographic you most want to reach, for example a country with a huge base of Windows users) and then use it as your message delivery mechanism.

viraptor 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You may not be in the right state, but the point of that part of the website is that it's a donation link. It will drive some people to help. If it's at the cost of some others getting grumpy about too much messaging... that's probably still worth it.

davorak 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Otherwise it is just noise. This is absolutely no statement about the status quo, but just how my brain works. It's also not a statement against activism in general, just about my personal opinion of it in certain places.

I considered the majority of the population to be affected by repeated messaging, messages in the background, or in other words availability bias. So the messaging be having the desired effect on society in general but not on some subset who filter it out completely.

LoganDark 6 hours ago | parent [-]

It has an effect on me too: it makes me begin to extra-quickly ignore any messaging of that sort. I become so tired of it that it starts actively frustrating me to see. And I bother people to take it elsewhere. This is a behavioral issue on my part, but I'm still struggling to justify to myself that they couldn't be getting more out of it by putting it somewhere more appropriate.

davorak 6 hours ago | parent [-]

> I become so tired of it that it starts actively frustrating me to see.

Something similar, significantly different though, happen to a friend. They started distrusting the incogni.com after seeing their advertisements over and over again. To them they saw/felt/reasoned that only an untrustworthy actor would be pushing the messaging so much and a trustworthy actor would rely more on word of mouth via their good product inspiring people to speak up about them. I had to point out that they probably saw much more of incogni's advertising due to their rate and type of media consumption and most people probably do not get that level of exposure. If incogni lowered their advertisements to hit them correctly it would not be nearly enough advertising to reach the average consumer.

I see the frustration at the repeated messaging to likely be a natural protective mechanism. Instinctively reject repeated messages is not necessarily a bad instinct since manipulative people will use repeated messaging to manipulate, but repeated message exposure does not only happen due to an attempt to manipulate.

suprstarrd 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I want to start by saying it's good that you are at least taking the time to look for this information! Stay healthily informed.

I see this as a bad analogy though: you wouldn't hear about it every time you go to the grocery store. Or, at the very least, you wouldn't stop and listen for the fifth time. You already know, and that's the point: the intention of most activism in technology (at least that I see) is to make you initially aware of it so you start to seek the information out and learn more elsewhere. (...And to give themselves good PR. We love rainbow capitalism /s)

Instagram and Twitter both get your attention during election season because they want you to be informed about how to vote. To me, that's a similar thing.

Der_Einzige 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The whole reason why Notepad ++, vim, etc have to do this is because no one wants to take one for the team and protest/put their neck on the line.

I don't want to either, and indeed I really want others to do it for me. As such, I really want to see even MORE political stuff like this to hopefully create folks who will actually protest and put their neck on the line.

Similar reason why US military propaganda is good. I never EVER want to be drafted and indeed if you put a gun in my hand and military fatigues on me, I will die with a shot in the ass (because I am running away). Thankfully, we have a bunch of hardened 20-somethings "manipulated" into joining the military and protecting us so that I can be lazy.

So please ratchet up the politics and get others out so I don't have to. It's not that hard to ignore yet another plea for help. We do it every hour of every day.

Aeglaecia 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

i dont see how saying "no politics" is similar to asking "why is there political messaging literally everywhere" , do you see how conflating the two is the exact behaviour that the original commenter was trying to discuss ?

idiotsecant 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Choosing not to engage politically is not a neutral action. Life is politics. The world is full of people that are trying to control your life in a thousand different ways. Choosing to not engage in support or opposition to that control doesn't mean you aren't participating, it means your default position is letting them do what they want.

iamnothere 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Is choosing to set certain parts of one’s life apart from politics equivalent to “choosing not to engage politically?” If so then shouldn’t every action that you take be imbued with politics, including the choice of how long you brush your teeth and when, where, and how you sleep? Or are certain things exempt from the rule, but not posting on HN? If that’s the case, why does posting on HN require political engagement but not, say, your interactions with the clerk at the grocery store? Are those of us who fail to inform every person we meet about our political views choosing not to engage politically? Even if we dedicate a certain portion of our lives to political engagement?

Edit: I’ll also add that political messaging is highly contextual. What is appropriate and effective in one place may be counterproductive or actively harmful elsewhere. Format and tone actually matter if you care about your pet cause succeeding, believe it or not.

Fogest 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I think this is a good example you provide about the store clerk at the grocery store, and I think you can expand this even further. Sometimes when I go to a store and am checking out they will ask me to donate to some random charity. Whether or not I care about the cause they are asking for money for doesn't matter at all in that moment. It annoys me and I don't want it to be asked in that interactions as that's not what I'm there for and not what I care to be put on the spot to think about.

I view these kinds of weird virtue signaling political statements on things like software to be the same. They do absolutely nothing and are just visual noise for nothing. Actually, this is a good example of where it can go wrong as it likely made the software the target of Chinese state-sponsored actors. So not only does it serve no useful purpose, it also can make you a target and piss people off.

davorak 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Choosing to not engage in support or opposition

I do not think it is uncommon for someone to do this, then see the side they oppose win more in elections, public perception, etc then decide to engage more and that is "why is there political messaging literally everywhere".

Since we can't remove it, the next best alternative is to participate and advocate for responsible political engagement. I think until we have some shared understanding of what responsible political engagement is we will continue to have it everywhere.

Aeglaecia 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

the original commenter has explicitly stated willingness to engage politically , he has also stated this is not something he is willing to do when it is interrupting his seperate personal choices , concluding with an observation that others tend to conflate non-constant political will with a constant apolitical view. can you please explain how you are not conflating these two concepts ?

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NuclearPM 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There’s a difference between arguing over the tax rate and ignoring fascism. At a certain point there is nothing more important than “politics”.

joejoe638 5 hours ago | parent [-]

The issue with making something so universal as software, specifically scientific software political is that it operates in such a broad context that every political statement sooner or later will seem comical outside a very narrow scope.

Your comment is a good example of it; who is dictator? The people who hacked the software or the political pole they support? At what point did they become fascist enough to warrant politicalisation of everything ?

NedF 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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dymk 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Ukraine and Taiwan are only relevant to Americans, right

b65e8bee43c2ed0 6 hours ago | parent [-]

iirc, Notepad++'s "I support the current thing" was about Honk Kong, not Taiwan.

joejoe638 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This is about being productive and weighing the overall value of things.

The politicisation of software is as harmful as requiring every research paper to be published with a political allegiance banner.

Software like most Sciences, Engineering, and, Trade is a much longer game for humanity than politics de jour.

It is easy to forget the extent of contributions from all sides of politics that has contributed to this trade, from Mohammed Algorithm to English, Russian, Chinese, and, everyone else to computing; but forgetting that and forging that for quick political hack points is a disservice to humanity.

pixl97 6 hours ago | parent [-]

>Software like most Sciences, Engineering, and Trade are much longer game for humanity than politics de jour.

Not really, software, like sciences and engineering must survive politics first. If humans start tossing around nukes like angry apes then those that survive may be scratching simple arithmetic with a charcoal stick on a cave wall.

joejoe638 6 hours ago | parent [-]

This take is completely blind to how sciences has worked throughout history of humanity and specifically post major world wars.

Additionally, it is based on a false notion that political banners in software helps in pursuing anyone let alone change political outcomes.

deathanatos 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Science has absolutely engaged in the politics du jour, including in major world wars. See, for example, the Szilárd petition[1]. (If you need a post-WWII example, those same scientists continued petitioning after the war on the dangers of nukes, too.)

Further, political banners in software have absolute helped, and have changed political outcomes. As an example of that, SOPA, and later PIPA, were defeated by websites such as Wikipedia (which are software) putting banners aimed at informing the public of those bills.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szil%C3%A1rd_petition

joejoe638 5 hours ago | parent [-]

A petition and including your political opinions whenever you engage in your trade or profession is not the same.

This is the entire point and objection with politicisation of everything.

orbisvicis 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Vim is Charityware. You can use and copy it as much as you like, but you are encouraged to make a donation for needy children in Uganda. Please see |kcc| below or visit the ICCF web site, available at these URLs:

http://iccf-holland.org/ http://www.vim.org/iccf/ http://www.iccf.nl/

You can also sponsor the development of Vim. Vim sponsors can vote for features. See |sponsor|. The money goes to Uganda anyway.

DaSHacka 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Yet another reason Neovim is the superior choice, I suppose

joshuaissac an hour ago | parent [-]

You can also sponsor the development of Neovim. The money goes to funding developers.

https://neovim.io/sponsors/

melagonster 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Notepad++ is close to a personal project. The author can add any message he wants. Usually, he just wrote something in the updating log; most people do not read it anymore.

t-3 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Any other venue would be less effective. Many people use Notepad++, few people care about the opinions of the person who makes it. Segregating their opinion to a space where it would be ignored by anyone who wasn't already interested would barely be better than staying silent.

nophunphil 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I can't help but feel there must some better venue for such messaging.

I would argue that this has been an effective avenue for messaging/protest. You’re responding to it on this very board - that means you’re thinking about it.

Another angle: would such free protest be allowed if the developers of Notepad++ were based in China or Russia? I seriously doubt it.

iamnothere 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Typically when I see such messaging in an out of place venue it nudges me slightly against both the message and the venue pushing the message. This occurs regardless of whether I agree with the message. I feel the same way as when I see an ad: this does not belong here.

I don’t think I am the only one who has this reaction. People who do this should consider if it’s actually helping their cause. If not it’s just feelgood signaling, or possibly even counterproductive.

tjjuckson 4 hours ago | parent [-]

> Typically when I see such messaging in an out of place venue it nudges me slightly against both the message and the venue pushing the message.

Do you realize how pathetic this statement is? Seeing political messaging makes you turn on your own beliefs?

Sometimes I wonder what it's like to be white.

kvemkon 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> would such free protest be allowed if the developers of Notepad++ were based in

- US arguing for independence of any of the States for whatever reasons?

- Spain for Catalonia?

- France for Basque?

and many more just in Europe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_separatist_move...

nophunphil 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Not pertinent. My point is more in reference to the ancestor comment with respect to Ukraine and Taiwan:

> Yeah, Notepad++ is known for political messaging in their updates. Taiwan, Ukraine, etc.

If you’re calling Ukraine in particular a “separatist movement”, I don’t think we can have a productive conversation.

FormerBandmate 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You can totally say Texas should be independent. A lot of Texans have.

You can’t be against the Ukraine war in Russia because Putin is an evil dictator

leosarev 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm writing this comment from Russia, St. Petersburg, and yes, you can be against the Ukraine war in Russia.

sunaookami an hour ago | parent [-]

Always hiliarious when westerners think they know how life works in Russia, China, etc because they heard from it on TV.

joejoe638 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Based on arrest of protesters in UK, US, and recent laws passed in Australia; it is fair to say that Notepad++’s freedom to protest would depend on who and what they are protesting.

nophunphil 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I would have been interested in debating the content of your reply if your account had not been created 1 hour ago.

So what about protesting the Russian invasion of Ukraine seems objectionable to you?

> it is fair to say that Notepad++’s freedom to protest would depend on who and what they are protesting.

What? In the US, UK, and Australia, the right to protest (i.e. of speech) does not depend on what’s being protested in the way you’re implying.

abdelhousni 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Just try to protest decades long ethnical cleansing and war of occupation occurring in Palestine in the USA of the UK, for example, like some students and people did in good conscience. You're a tad idealizing the limits of freedom of speech in the western countries.

handedness 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Whether people talk about something isn't a measure of success, it's whether it changes public sentiment.

He who politicizes everything politicizes nothing.

p_ing 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> I would argue that this has been an effective avenue for messaging/protest. You’re responding to it on this very board - that means you’re thinking about it.

I think about a lot of things I do absolutely nothing about (or with).

Thinking about whatever messaging is here is like saying "thoughts and prayers". It means shit all nothing. The messaging was a waste of my time and your time. It was an ad for a product you'll never purchase.

nophunphil 6 hours ago | parent [-]

I don’t see it as a waste of my time. I am not in the habit of seeing conflicts in which innocent people die as a “waste of my time”. The idea that my time is somehow more valuable than another person’s is narcissistic.

com2kid 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Open source has always been political.

Freedom of speech is political.

The right to privacy is political.

Letting people on to the Internet without censorship is political.

Government policies that support startups are political.

Threatening to arrest teens for pirating mp3s is political.

> I can engage with politics in a social context, when political messaging isn't interrupting something else I'm doing; that's a better place for activism, IMHO.

For the people actually impacted by politics, reality rarely waits for a convenient time to interrupt.

Political reality tends to knock down doors and blow up buildings when it wants to really get someone's attention. "Don't bother me during my software updates" is a privileged position to be able to take.

icelancer 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I generally agree with you. But I put up with it since Notepad++ is good software. It is what it is.

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mmsc 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If the political messages said "gas the Jews", "exterminate the Ukrainians and give Ukraine to Russia", and "Taiwan has and always will be a province of china", you probably wouldn't use notepad++.

leosarev 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Taiwan has and always will be a province of china

You know that's official position of 99% countries in the world, including all superpowers and every NATO member?

mmsc 4 hours ago | parent [-]

No it's not and if you do believe that, you are taking an overly reductionist viewpoint.

99% countries, as they say, "acknowledge China's viewpoint".

maxglute 3 hours ago | parent [-]

~120 countries fully endorse One China Policy. ~60 acknowledge. ~10 recognize ROC.

mmsc 3 hours ago | parent [-]

https://interactives.lowyinstitute.org/features/one-china-co...

maxglute 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes, comports with my numbers.

>A majority of countries (119 or 62 per cent of UN member states) have endorsed Beijing’s one-China principle, which entails that Taiwan is an inalienable part of the People’s Republic of China.

I was being generous bucketing 20 mixed signallers with 40 status quoist. 120 agree TW inalienable part of China, as in TW can never be independent from one China construct (PRC's position). 20 agree it's part of China but not necessarily inalienable, i.e. TW/ROC should have pathway to independence but until they formalize, still part of China. AKA 75% is in recognize tier.

simion314 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

>If the political messages said "gas the Jews", "exterminate the Ukrainians and give Ukraine to Russia", and "Taiwan has and always will be a province of china", you probably wouldn't use notepad++.

As one should, I avoid stuff that have a very loud fascist author/owner. So we should be happy for this people to show what they believe in, this way we can decide not to help fascists(and others can decide to support them and not to help one of the other sides)

wodenokoto 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It’s an excellent venue, just like songs and movies.

Being political isn’t a hobby you attend on Tuesdays, it’s real decision that affect people’s lives every single day, sometimes with deadly consequences.

idiotsecant 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I am just fine with people tagging their art and their craft with causes they believe in. The person behind the work is part of the work. If you didn't pay for it or contribute sweat equity you don't get to decide otherwise. Your only recourse is to not use it.

popalchemist 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You don't know that nothing happens. Perhaps others are more empathetic than you. Perhaps it produces change. You have literally no way to know.

kstrauser 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The idea of using GPLed software and clutching pearls that it’s political boggles my mind.

Free Software is inherently political. It’s like ordering a cheeseburger and being shocked that it has meat in it.

vkou 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There's generally a better venue for a lot of messaging, but I don't get a vote in it.

mmooss 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No politics in software, in sports, on HN, at work, at parties, ... it becomes a rare thing, widely 'censored' (socially, not by government), when it is the most important thing.

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tjpnz 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I wouldn't brush off Taiwan or Ukraine as "political". In both cases it's about survival, and in one it's a literal fight.

avazhi 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That’s political, lol.

MengerSponge 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Bro, it's political. Political isn't synonymous with "bad" or with "propaganda". Wars are waged on many fronts, and securing economic and hardware support takes messaging.

airstrike 5 hours ago | parent [-]

In fact, Carl von Clausewitz is known for saying "War is politics by other means" (among many other great quotes)

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