| ▲ | Traster 8 hours ago | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I think you're totally wrong on this. Tesla didn't waste the first mover advantage. They benefitted from it whilst it existed, but Electric vehicles turned into a commodity, which was entirely expected and there's no moat. You've explained yourself why it would be untenable for Musk to pursue becoming the biggest car manufacturer in the world - if he succeeded in that goal... he would have succeded in shrinking the value of the company significantly. It's pure logic that Tesla has to pursue bets that would justify billion dollar valuations and being a car company isn't that. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | jordanb 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Tesla's original "secret plan" (published on their website) was to become a commodity car manufacturer faster than electric cars became a commodity. Such that the other manufacturers would find them selling obsolete vehicles and Tesla just becomes the new General Motors. This was the justification for their stock price for quite a few years: "It's logical that Tesla is worth more than all other automakers combined because it will soon be the only automaker." Then in 2022 Elon basically admitted that they couldn't win on production and had to continue to win on technology and they'd do that with self driving. [https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-tesla-worth-basica...] But now Tesla is way behind on self driving (which was oversold by the whole industry tbh). So what's their new plan? Now they're no longer a car company and will make robots! | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | sgjohnson 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> It's pure logic that Tesla has to pursue bets that would justify billion dollar valuations and being a car company isn't that. But it's make-believe. Tesla is a car manufacturer. They haven't shipped anything else other than cars. And they even suck at making cars these days. Tesla Semi? All but dead. The new roadster? Also dead. Full Self Driving? Doesn't exist. Robotaxis? Even if they got them to work, at this point the brand is too toxic for widespread adoption of those. They could have persisted at being a disruptive car manufacturer and still held a several hundred billion dollar valuation. Now they are a very mediocre car manufacturer, with their only actual success being conning everyone into believing that they are a bleeding-edge tech company so their $1.5Bn valuation seems justified. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | breve 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Why is making humanoid robots a moat? Other companies have been making robots for longer, humanoid and otherwise, and doing it better. Has Optimus signed up for any sports yet: https://edition.cnn.com/2026/01/02/china/china-humanoid-robo... Is Optimus close to what Boston Dynamics is doing with Atlas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIhzUnvi7Fw | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | jcranmer 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Brand value is definitely a moat. Not the deepest of moats, but it is a moat nonetheless. > It's pure logic that Tesla has to pursue bets that would justify billion dollar valuations and being a car company isn't that. Tesla is valued as if it is a tech company with a car business as a side gig. Its balance sheet is a car business, and I'm not even sure it spends enough on tech to have tech qualify as a side gig. And the other tech avenues it has been pursuing (autonomous vehicles, humanoid robots) are areas that other people have been doing for better and longer. Hell, Honda had autonomous (not tele-operated) humanoid robots working 20 years ago. To be honest, at this point, I mostly consider the other bets that Tesla is pursing are just passion projects to keep the stock price artificially high. Were Tesla more realistically valued, it would lose probably 90% or more of its value, and Musk would be a much poorer man. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | sosomoxie 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Pure logic would dictate that Tesla has a market cap of around $5B. It's actually fraudulent that it's not, and for some reason the SEC allows Musk to lie on every earnings call without repercussion. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | freakynit 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Everything tends toward commodification in a hyper-competitive, hyper-connected world. The only variable is time... and this "time" keeps shrinking. As commodification accelerates, consolidation follows. In the current landscape, where private capital and state power are deeply entangled under the banner of national security, this consolidation no longer stays economic. It becomes geopolitical. The end result... it translates to not just corporate monopolies, but geo-monopolies... enforced not by markets alone, but by coercion, conflict, and control over resources. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | arbor_day 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
It's not that EVs are a commodity. Competition and speculative production capacity buildouts combined with lower than expected consumer demand made the market less profitable. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | JumpinJack_Cash 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> > It's pure logic that Tesla has to pursue bets that would justify billion dollar valuations and being a car company isn't that. You can pursue everything with words, even you can pursue Sydney Sweeney but then you have to show the receipts. The receipts of Tesla (Factories, lines of production, expertise of people hired, 25 years of history...) are one of car company. But of course, it's all narrative so people will keep outbidding each other to own a piece of this company. The financialization of hope, that's what it is. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | outside1234 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Tesla's moat is constantly moving to the next thing and claiming it has a moat before moving on to the next thing. Elon's business model is moving from one government subsidized thing to the next (see SpaceX now bribing for tax dollars to go to Mars). | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | Deklomalo 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | epolanski 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Bingo. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||