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usaphp 5 hours ago

> And they even suck at making cars these days

Aren’t model Y and model 3 considered the best cars in their class by most motor journalists?

Arainach 4 hours ago | parent [-]

No, not by a long shot, unless you define "class" so tightly as to only include those vehicles and no competitors.

apublicfrog an hour ago | parent [-]

What would you define as better? I rent various EVs regularly, and I'm still yet to find something that beats it on performance, range and price. That's all before comfort and features, which again most seem to lack. There are a couple pretty close to Tesla, but nothing that clearly beats it that I've driven.